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Wax paper/FAE/humidity question
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Hi all,

I have a very small fully colonized bucket (about half-pint quinoa/millet/spelt spawn to coir/verm/coffee at about 1:3, 4" depth, uncased) that I have just open an put in fruitaison.

It is a side experiment I wanted to make alongside another "made-by-the-book" regular monotub, and I don't have any fruiting chamber, and don't plan to build one for just one small cup.

I covered the bucket with a micro-perforated plastic bag, to see if it could work and keep a good ratio FAE/RH.

Obviously with this bag I have a lot of FAE, but I am a little worried about the RH.

I read some posts about wax paper, and might use it to provide better humidity if it is not some outdated disapproved method.

My questions:

- Can I use some crumbled PVC transparency sheet instead of wax paper?
I thought it could be a good alternative, as it does not become soggy, no need to change it, and it allows more light.

- I would then become worried about FAE, because I read everywhere "FAE is the n°1 pinning trigger".
Should I remove the sheet, mist, fan, then re-cover with the sheet? Several times a day?
Or the wax paper tek is more a set&forget and provides enough FAE to induce a decent pinset?

Sorry for my English, the length of the post, the worried enthusiastic noob questions, and thanks in advance for all your inputs :tongue2:


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Re: Wax paper/FAE/humidity question [Re: NoBrainNoPain]
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Wax paper should only be used during colonization,  once at 100% you remove the paper to initiate pinning.
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Re: Wax paper/FAE/humidity question [Re: NoBrainNoPain]
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CH HELL said: Wax paper should only be used during colonization,  once at 100% you remove the paper to initiate pinning.


... sorry to disagree, but you really don't answer my questions and spread misinformation. I don't want to be rude, but it sounds complete nonsense to me: I really don't see the point in using wax paper during colonization, as the tub/tray/bucket is supposed to be closed and not opened until fully colonized.

Wax paper is used as a way to get a good micro-climate right to stimulate primordia formation when RH is not optimal, a bit as a casing layer.

Edited by NoBrainNoPain (06/10/09 11:31 PM)

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Re: Wax paper/FAE/humidity question [Re: NoBrainNoPain]
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NoBrainNoPain said:
Quote:
CH HELL said: Wax paper should only be used during colonization,  once at 100% you remove the paper to initiate pinning.


... sorry to disagree, but you really don't answer my questions and spread misinformation. I don't want to be rude, but it sounds complete nonsense to me: I really don't see the point in using wax paper during colonization, as the tub/tray/bucket is supposed to be closed and not opened until fully colonized.

Wax paper is used as a way to get a good micro-climate right to stimulate primordia formation when RH is not optimal, a bit as a casing layer.


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if your going to use crumbled wax paper, lift it 2-3 times per day fan and then lay it back down. replace the wax paper every 2-3 days with fresh crumbled wax paper. do this until pins form

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Re: Wax paper/FAE/humidity question [Re: NoBrainNoPain]
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Thanks.

Any advice pro/against the crumbled pvc sheet instead of wax paper?


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Re: Wax paper/FAE/humidity question [Re: NoBrainNoPain]
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You're suppose to keep PVC transparency sheets away from moisture. It may get water logged way to fast to be useful. But there's only 1 way to find out what would happen to it in a monotub... Try it and post results.

You can leave wax paper on from start to finish, it's a tried and true process.


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Re: Wax paper/FAE/humidity question [Re: gubi]
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thanks for the advice.

I think I'll finally keep the tested and approved wax paper method for this first attempt. Not good changing too much variables at the same time :wink:

Btw, how can I see if the uncased sub is too dry?


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Re: Wax paper/FAE/humidity question [Re: NoBrainNoPain]
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You will notice the substrate shrinking in away from the sides of your vessel when it starts to dry out. Most likely you will notice this after the first flush becomes mature, as a lot of the water the mycelial network has been holding gets spent on the growing fruits.


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Re: Wax paper/FAE/humidity question [Re: Lucid_Euphoria]
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Sorry, I meant "how can I see if the uncased sub is too dry before the first flush"

I thought have read that bruising is a sign of lack of moisture, right? Other bad signs?


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Re: Wax paper/FAE/humidity question [Re: NoBrainNoPain]
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Would be pretty hard to dry out a sub before it fruits. You'd have to have WAY too much air exchange going on and zero misting for that to happen. As far as signs go, I'm not sure on that one. Never had a problem of drying before fruits.


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Re: Wax paper/FAE/humidity question [Re: NoBrainNoPain]
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bruising, yellowing, sub pulling away from the sides, and the sub physically being lighter when you pick up the sub would all be signs of it drying put.

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Re: Wax paper/FAE/humidity question [Re: blood4blood]
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Thanks, I'll watch it and be careful


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Re: Wax paper/FAE/humidity question [Re: NoBrainNoPain]
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so do you have to pasteurize or sterilize the wax paper, like by using the microwave?

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Re: Wax paper/FAE/humidity question [Re: johnwayne]
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johnwayne said:
so do you have to pasteurize or sterilize the wax paper, like by using the microwave?


Please tell me you're joking...  :foreheadslap:


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