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T. pachanoi and the Backberg clone
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I need a more clearer understanding of just what is a Backberg clone and what the difference is between it and a 'true' Pachanoi. I have a basic understanding but I'd like to find other sources outside of what I have found just to be sure that understanding is correct.


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Re: T. pachanoi and the Backberg clone [Re: highdroponics]
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Ok here you go:

Backberg is the most common in USA:




Real deal:





FH

Edited by felixhigh (06/09/09 02:30 PM)

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Re: T. pachanoi and the Backberg clone [Re: felixhigh]
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Yeah I clearly see they are two different cacti, but I'm looking for information. Where do they grow? what are the growth patterns? speed? coloration? What's the difference in mescaline content, etc.

This I could not find anywhere. I'm pretty sure I have a real deal pachanoi that was sold to me as a "super peruvianus"(said to grow faster than bridgesii) and I also have what I know for a fact to be a Backberg clone. I just want to make sure I understand these two different cacti better.

Backberg



"Super Peruvianus" (True Pachanoi?)




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Re: T. pachanoi and the Backberg clone [Re: highdroponics]
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Backberg was a cactus collector.

Backberg clones have the same genetics as the clone he collected, and introduced.

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Re: T. pachanoi and the Backberg clone [Re: highdroponics]
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I think this yours 'Super Peruvianus' might be more of a Peruvianus than a Pachanoi, because of the proeminent V notches over the areoles. Maybe its a short spined peruvianus, it looks great.


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Re: T. pachanoi and the Backberg clone [Re: distgre1]
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Wrong!


Backberg did not collect what we're reffering to as the backberg clone. The backberg clone HAS NO representative in the wild, and doesnt quite fit the specs to be a true pachanoi (probably a manmade hybrid).


Its a huge misnomer, to call the plant in question the backberg clone, but what can you do? Its spread too far to change everyone's vocabulary now.

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Re: T. pachanoi and the Backberg clone [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
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HarveyWalbanger said:
Wrong!


Backberg did not collect what we're reffering to as the backberg clone. The backberg clone HAS NO representative in the wild, and doesnt quite fit the specs to be a true pachanoi (probably a manmade hybrid).


Its a huge misnomer, to call the plant in question the backberg clone, but what can you do? Its spread too far to change everyone's vocabulary now.


Yeah, I've seen a lot of people call it PC or predominant cultivar as Mr Backberg didn't collect this one. To me, however, it's sort of like asking to not call Echniopsis a Trich -- it just isn't happening :p

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Re: T. pachanoi and the Backberg clone [Re: highdroponics]
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no one knows the origins of the backberg clone, apart from that backberg supposedly collected it in the wild.
however, the location has never been identified and the plant has never been observed in it's native habitat (if it has one)

lots of speculation, no definitive answers.


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Re: T. pachanoi and the Backberg clone [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
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Quote:
Dr. uarewotueat said:lots of speculation, no definitive answers.


That seems to be a recurring theme with Trichs. :crankey:

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Re: T. pachanoi and the Backberg clone [Re: drift]
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When someone mentions trichs I just reason down to they are all mutts and leave it at that.


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Re: T. pachanoi and the Backberg clone [Re: Prof. Astro]
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:highfive:


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Re: T. pachanoi and the Backberg clone [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
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:lowfive:


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Re: T. pachanoi and the Backberg clone [Re: Prof. Astro]
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The Aliens left it here as a gift? hahaha.:stoned: maybe I'm just too smoked out right now.


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Re: T. pachanoi and the Backberg clone [Re: jben]
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Maybe it has been in human cultivation for thousands of years?

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Re: T. pachanoi and the Backberg clone [Re: chris92346]
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Again, there are almost no representatives of the clone outside of the continental US...

Thousands of years?  I think not.

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Re: T. pachanoi and the Backberg clone [Re: HarveyWalbanger]
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Here is a picture a family friend took in Peru, they werent taking pics of the cacti but I recognized it :smile:



thought it may come in handy telling what they consider to be pachanoi


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Re: T. pachanoi and the Backberg clone [Re: Cactusdan]
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Yeah I got a friend from Peru I'm trying to get to take pictures of cacti for me next time he goes.


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