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Strains of Pachanoi
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I read on another forum about different strains of T. Pachanoi like PC (Predominant Cultivator) being low in alkaloids and Terres + Terres being high in alky content. Anyone have any knowledge of this subject?


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Re: Strains of Pachanoi [Re: Ledd]
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I know that I´ve had some very strong Backberg (PC) clones. But they all vary a bit in potency.

Never heard of such Terres strain.


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Re: Strains of Pachanoi [Re: felixhigh]
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As far as I know potency tends to depend on age, region, growing conditions, and what not. I'm sure it may sound like one is more potent but thats probably because they're coming from that same area, and if you were to move them they may balance alk contents for the worse or the better. Just a hypothesis and what i've heard/experienced.


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Re: Strains of Pachanoi [Re: Cactusdan]
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Why do some San Pedros have long spines and some barely have any? And they really don't look similar at all


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Re: Strains of Pachanoi [Re: jds]
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Pedros have very short spines. Longer spines are evidence of a different specie such as Peruvianus.


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Re: Strains of Pachanoi [Re: Ledd]
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How do you identify a strain?


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Re: Strains of Pachanoi [Re: jds]
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Keep reading about them and looking at pictures. For great info i recommend trichocereus.com. Post pics of them. There are two members of this community that are well able to help with ID's.


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Re: Strains of Pachanoi [Re: Ledd]
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I'd really like to identify my San Pedro properly, I'll read about it


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Re: Strains of Pachanoi [Re: Ledd]
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It's Torres & Torres :tongue:.  That's a pachanoid that was collected from somewhere in Chile.

Everything is variable.  We're not talking about rocks or minerals here, these are living organisms.  Varying genetics growing in varying climates and varying habitats with varying sunlight and varying nutrients for varying amounts of time.  Just as in Lophophora, mountain ranges have acted as natural boundaries and that isolation has helped result in a range of phenotypes coming about.

And then clones of the same plant can end up looking very different from each other when grown in different conditions.  Phenotype is dependent on growing conditions as well as genetics.  For example, increased sun exposure tends to result in plants of thicker girth, lighter green skin, and larger spines.  Even the Predominant Cultivar of pachanoi which usually has very small spines can begin to get prickly in certain conditions.

Naturally then, chemical potency is also variable.


And yes, there are long-spined pachanoi forms.  What we commonly know as pachanoi (the P.C.) is most likely a hybrid Trichocereus.  It bears weak resemblance to the standard pachanoi of Peru, in my opinion its phenotype seems to have stronger affinities towards bridgesii.


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Re: Strains of Pachanoi [Re: plainswalker]
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i agree with plainswalker environment means everything. a tortured cacti will be minimal. a well grown will be up there. like herb they like their uvb's. nobobody said "pc", "bakeberg" wasnt strong its just the conditions. my strongest experience was from "bakeberg", other bridgesii couldn't step. its all on genetics, uv, age. anyway its all up to the eyes of the beholder.


edit: if you got the the intrest in other varities your screwed. you have the cacti bug. you better get a bigger house or property just ask anyone who caught this virus.

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Re: Strains of Pachanoi [Re: Ledd]
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Ledbonzo86 said:
Pedros have very short spines. Longer spines are evidence of a different specie such as Peruvianus.


Not true. There are long spined pachanoi as well as short spined peruvianus.


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Re: Strains of Pachanoi [Re: felixhigh]
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yeah it's just down to different phenotypes of the same species or environmental factors.
long or short spines are no idication of species, as with rib count, it means very little.

one point about the PC of pachanoi "backberg clone", it looks nothing like the true t. pachanoi of peru/ecuador...
closer to t. bridgesii as alot of people believe, probably a hybrid of the two IMO. :shrug:


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Re: Strains of Pachanoi [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
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This is ahead of me. I'll keep reading around.


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Re: Strains of Pachanoi [Re: Ledd]
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you wont find an answer because everyone is just as much confused as you or i.  these plants classification is a mess and really difficult.  talk to a taxonomist, a field researcher, a plant breeder, a nurseryman and a hippy and you will get 10 different opinions...ya 10 - figure that out LOL!


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Re: Strains of Pachanoi [Re: kadakuda]
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Haha. I get my pedros from a grower who has some serious quantity and seems very dedicated. His website talks a lot about KK (and the lack of proper identification) seed sources, this that and the other, blah blah blah, so Im confident I at least have a Pachanoi lol. I want a Torch and a bridgesii soon too. In the summer probably. Right Now I have a 27" w 4" pup
32" with 6" in pup
and a 22"/18"/3"(cut for cutting) 3 tipped cactus with a pup the size of my thumbnail that has some weird funk going on with its growth pattern.
When I get my damn camera I'll be showing off :wink:


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Re: Strains of Pachanoi [Re: Ledd]
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ya KK is really not doing anyone any favours by selling misidentified plants and apparently he sends out alot of specimens unlabelled, useful eh...
lets not get into his ancient seed stocks :igor:


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