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Columbus did not discover America
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It was certainly discovered by the East before Columbus as they found highly accurate maps which were dated before Columbus.

If you go back even further there have been Egyptians Murial's found that show Maize and pineapple plants that were Native to only America.  Suggesting America was discovered even earlier.

Just to let you know they stuff they teach you in school and the day you continue to celebrate is completely incorrect.


Dated 1418

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world and all its continents were discovered by a Chinese admiral named Zheng He, whose fleets roamed the oceans between 1405 and 1435. His exploits, which are well documented in Chinese historical records, were written about in a book which appeared in China around 1418 called “The Marvellous Visions of the Star Raft”.


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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: Ego Death]
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The Native Americans discovered America. On Foot. Over the Bering Strait during an ice age.

Its so incredibly arrogant to say you discovered a land when theres already people living there. It disqualifies the inhabitants as people.

I'm going to "discover" my neighbors house, give them smallpox blankets and talk about Jesus when they die, and then go live there and exploit the natural resources :crankey:


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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: Asante]
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But migrating across a land bridge over thousands of years is not as big an achievement than developing ship-building technology and sailing over the ocean in one trip.

I don't think it's arrogance; it's just a different thing.


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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: Asante]
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Wiccan_Seeker said:
The Native Americans discovered America. On Foot. Over the Bering Strait during an ice age.


Under Debate!

They may, in fact, have discovered it by sailing across the Pacific to South America.  If the Monte Verde dates are correct, that is.  Hard to imagine how someone enters the continent near Alaska and the earliest relics of their culture are found in far southern South America.

But yes, it certainly wasn't Colombus.


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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: Asante]
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The Native Americans discovered America. On Foot. Over the Bering Strait during an ice age.

Its so incredibly arrogant to say you discovered a land when theres already people living there. It disqualifies the inhabitants as people.

I'm going to "discover" my neighbors house, give them smallpox blankets and talk about Jesus when they die, and then go live there and exploit the natural resources :crankey:


Damn straight.

While modern day Aborigine's generally piss me off in Australia, they had a pretty damn good system before the colonists moved in and fucked it up.

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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: Madtowntripper]
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Technically it couldn't have been the Native Americans either, since they weren't Native Americans till they moved in :grin:


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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: Ego Death]
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I thought it was the Mormons who discovered it with space Jesus.


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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: UnholyChild666]
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Oh, that is certainly true!


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: Madtowntripper]
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actually Al Gore invented the American continent.


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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: monkeywrench]
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all these different opinions... i just don't know what to believe :shocked:

i'll go check some evidence on infowars and see what i'm supposed to go with


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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: Bridgeburner]
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dude you can never go wrong with Mormon


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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: UnholyChild666]
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dude you can never go wrong with Mormon


There was a mormon doco on aussie tele the other day.

I didn't know Salt Lake City is just a giant city of mormons.

The name sounds so cool, why so fail?

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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: UnholyChild666]
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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: Bridgeburner]
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now that would be the all time horror flick


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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: Chubba]
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Chubba said:
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dude you can never go wrong with Mormon


There was a mormon doco on aussie tele the other day.

I didn't know Salt Lake City is just a giant city of mormons.

The name sounds so cool, why so fail?


yeah man SLC is a sess pool of Mormon filth, if the sXe kids there were going to be stabbing, beating and killing anyone it should have been them.


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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: monkeywrench]
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actually Al Gore invented the American continent.


America used to be the West Pole, but the glaciers melted because of global warming :awesome:


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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: Chubba]
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Chubba said:
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dude you can never go wrong with Mormon


There was a mormon doco on aussie tele the other day.

I didn't know Salt Lake City is just a giant city of mormons.

The name sounds so cool, why so fail?


Did you ever see John Safran's series on religion? He went to Salt Lake City and started door-knocking to spread the word of atheism (they didn't like it) bought some of the special mormon underwear, and pitched a movie idea to break into the lucrative Mormon audience market. Here's the trailer for his movie idea:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1li49_extreme-mormons-with-john-safran_news

"There's two types of Mormons: latter day saints, and latter day aints"
:lol:


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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: zouden]
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In January 2006, BBC News and The Economist both published news regarding the exhibition of a Chinese sailing map with detailed descriptions of both Native Americans and Native Australians. The map (at right) was dated 1763, and was supposedly a copy of an earlier map made in 1418. Supporters of Gavin Menzies' 1421 theory claim the map as proof that Zheng He sailed to the Americas and Australia. Critics point out that the map, if authentic, is more likely to be based on an eighteenth-century European map.
Detail, so-called Zheng He Map, phonetic transcription of "America"

According to the map's owner, Liu Gang, a Chinese lawyer and collector, he purchased the map in 2001 for $500 USD from a Shanghai dealer. A number of authorities on Chinese history have questioned the authenticity of the map. Some point to the use of the Mercator-style projection, its accurate reckoning of longitude and its North-based orientation. None of these features was used in the best maps made in either Asia or Europe during this period (for example see the Kangnido map (1410) and the Fra Mauro map (1459)). Also mentioned is the depiction of the erroneous Island of California, a mistake commonly repeated in European maps from the sixteenth to eighteenth centuries. On the map the American continent is labelled phonetically "A-me-ri-ca" (今名北亞墨利加, literally: "Now Name Northern A-me-ri-ca," see detail). This translation was unknown in Ming Dynasty, and is known to be a borrowing from the West, (Amerigo Vespucci).

Geoff Wade of the Asia Research Institute at the National University of Singapore has strongly disputed the authenticity of the map and has suggested that it is either an 18th or 21st-century fake. Wade has pointed out a number of anachronisms that appear in the map and its text annotations. For example, in the text next to Eastern Europe, which has been translated as "People here mostly believe in God and their religion is called 'Jing' (景, referring to Nestorianism)", Wade notes that the Chinese word for the Christian God is given as "Shang-di" (上帝), which is a usage that was first borrowed from Chinese ancient text by Jesuit missionary Matteo Ricci in the 16th century.[49]

In May 2006 the Dominion Post reported that Fiona Petchey, head of the testing unit at Waikato University, which had carbon dated the map, had asked Gavin Menzies to remove claims from his website that the dating proved the map was genuine. The carbon dating indicated with an 80% probability a date for the paper of the map between either 1640–1690 or 1730–1810. However as the ink was not tested, it was impossible to know when it was drawn. Ms Petchey said, "we asked him to remove those, not because we were not happy with the dates, but because we were not overly happy with being associated with his interpretations of those dates."








thanks wikipedia, china didn't "discover" america


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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: twighead]
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The mystery deepens...

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Re: Columbus did not discover America [Re: Ego Death]
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hehe, i think the whole "On the map the American continent is labelled phonetically "A-me-ri-ca" (今名北亞墨利加, literally: "Now Name Northern A-me-ri-ca," see detail). This translation was unknown in Ming Dynasty, and is known to be a borrowing from the West, (Amerigo Vespucci)." puts this one to rest.


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