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Re: Leaving America [Re: RoKiSdEaD]
#1843633 - 08/23/03 02:53 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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RoKiSdEaD said: I wish everyone in America would just stand the fuck up and fight. I love the land and what not, but recently being busted, I'll be the first to tell you the laws fuckin suck. Doesnt it bother you that noone gives a damn anymore? They have put the fuckin fear in us so bad that everyone is too scared of jail time to do anything. I wish it was like the 60's or something, and people actually tried. I say we all get the fuck up and change our country. There isnt much they can say now, since every other "free" country that is worth a shit doesnt hardly do anything about marijuana. So I say to everyone, don't leave! Your gonna let these nazi fucks run us off? If thats what you want, I guess thats fine, but I say we all stand the fuck up, tell em how we feel, do what we want, and fuckem. If we are thrown in jail, so be it. I believe martin luther king said something along the lines of (not exact quote):"People have a moral obligation to disobey unjust laws."
I, however, am not speaking on the part of drugs such as heroin, meth, coke, or the other "hard" drugs. Yet I do think that we SHOULD be able to do any drug we please, the sad truth of it is guys, we may be responsible enough to use these drugs without addiction/death/etc., but most of the population is just too damn stupid to.
Anyway, thats my take on things. So quite letting them push us around and fight!
Please set the pace, im sure with your motivational skill's and a little press you could round up a militia, shouldnt be hard in the state's, and of course, im sure you will triumph.
Im Canadian, and not exactly in favor of welcoming american "refugee's", but i do think boycotting America (see; bailing on) is a much more progressive and effective means to freedom, than your suggestion to; "stand the fuck up, tell em how we feel, do what we want, and fuckem." Yessir, im sure you wouldnt be so tough after you were charged with conspiracy against the state, or as a terrorist.
Anyways, come to BC if you want...Its fucking awesome here, Ive grown up all my life here and i dont plan on leaving for any extended period's, ever. Progressive, free, liberal, safe, cheapish. Just dont contaminate our country with Americanism's.
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Re: Leaving America [Re: PDU]
#1843694 - 08/23/03 03:34 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have fun up there with the sars-infected seal-beaters
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def head to the netherlands
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Re: Leaving America [Re: PDU]
#1844122 - 08/23/03 08:05 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Damn man, why don't you be a dick about something silly? :P I never said I could fuckin do it alone that I recall. I would just like to see people with a little more iniative to combat stupid laws. And its not like we would have to sit and smoke pot in front of the fuckin cops anyway, I'm sure just if all the pot heads in america said "I love to smoke pot, and I want it legalized" then US government would have a hard time not legalizing, in my opion, considering that this number is sure to be VERY high.
And anyway, with all the smokers here in the USA, they couldnt fuckin arrest us all even if we did just light up in front of the cops. But Im gonna shut up before some government official gets on here and I get accused of trying to do something stupid.
I have lived in America all my life also, and I like it very much, aside from the drug laws. I have thought about going to BC for a couple of years or something, but since you canadians are so damn unfriendly apparently, I guess I'll stay the fuck out :P
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Re: Leaving America [Re: RoKiSdEaD]
#1844140 - 08/23/03 08:19 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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It's not that we're unfriendly, we just don't want americans plowing through the border and fucking shit up. You're country already has full access to all our clean water and timber needs...
The best way to start a change in my opinion would be to take back your media, which is afterall the basic foundation for public control and manufacturing consent. Imagine if america had just one television station where people were free to express the truth as they see it without worrying about what the rotten corporate sponsors think about the message.
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Re: Leaving America [Re: RoKiSdEaD]
#1844166 - 08/23/03 08:32 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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RoKiSdEaD said: Damn man, why don't you be a dick about something silly? :P I never said I could fuckin do it alone that I recall. I would just like to see people with a little more iniative to combat stupid laws. And its not like we would have to sit and smoke pot in front of the fuckin cops anyway, I'm sure just if all the pot heads in america said "I love to smoke pot, and I want it legalized" then US government would have a hard time not legalizing, in my opion, considering that this number is sure to be VERY high.
And anyway, with all the smokers here in the USA, they couldnt fuckin arrest us all even if we did just light up in front of the cops. But Im gonna shut up before some government official gets on here and I get accused of trying to do something stupid.
I have lived in America all my life also, and I like it very much, aside from the drug laws. I have thought about going to BC for a couple of years or something, but since you canadians are so damn unfriendly apparently, I guess I'll stay the fuck out :P
I suppose im being a dick because your ideologies dont represent reality. THERE ARE people that are out there saying they want it legalized...theyre called activists, maybe youve heard of them? There are LOTS of people, there are rallies and parade's, there are special groups of all sorts that campaign for their freedom to live their chosen lifestyle. Its obviously untrue that the US has a hardtime keeping pot criminalized, and that they cant lock you all up...Challenge them, you and everyone of your compatriots will go down...and as always, bigger better prisons will be built with you or your parents tax dollars, and these bigger better prisons will be filled with people like you. Thats how it is, how its been, and how ever more its progressing. If you feel opressed, fight for your freedom, and see what it get's you, im only offering a warning. My advice would be to boycott them, perhaps contribute your resource's to a better country which can oneday reign superior to America.
Oh, and yes, we're not unfriendly, we just like thing's the way they are. We're not America 2.
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Re: Leaving America [Re: PDU]
#1844188 - 08/23/03 08:46 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Man, you are a complete ass I know there are activists, but the people who are brave enough to say how they feel don't even come close to representing the thousands of pot smoking americans, and that is what I am trying to say, i would like for everyone who smokes to brave enough to say they do. They continue to opress us and put us in prison because there are relativley few people who get caught/are brave enough to speak out, in comparison to the marijuana smoking population in the U.S.
If you will check out some statitistics, progress is being made at a decently fast rate for at least decreased marijuana penalties. I mean, the tennessee law says anyhting over half an oz. is a felony, and is punishable by 1-6 years in prison, and at one time this law was enforced like that. Now most people, unless they have a pound or two, are let go without any prison time, just probation. You are kidding yourself if you really think that things are not slowly getting better. I dont know how much better they will get, but things have gotten a lot less extreme over marijuana than they used to be.
I know my ideas dont represent reality at present, I don't believe I ever said that I believed any of my ideas would actually happen. In fact, i think I began my post (too lazy to go back and check), with "I wish".
And how are we gonna fuck up your nation? The ones who would actually wanna move up there would be good ole fashioned democratic pot smokers, in wich there is very little difference in them and a canadian. (I would guess, I dont know). If I lived in a country where something was legal that SHOULD be legal, and fellow people who lived in a nearby nation were being oppressed for something that both they and I love doing, I believe I would welcome them to my country. But that is just me.
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Re: Leaving America [Re: RoKiSdEaD]
#1844224 - 08/23/03 08:58 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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freedom is not just about smoking pot
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But it's a damn good start
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Re: Leaving America [Re: RoKiSdEaD]
#1844369 - 08/23/03 09:58 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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RoKiSdEaD said: Man, you are a complete ass I know there are activists, but the people who are brave enough to say how they feel don't even come close to representing the thousands of pot smoking americans, and that is what I am trying to say, i would like for everyone who smokes to brave enough to say they do. They continue to opress us and put us in prison because there are relativley few people who get caught/are brave enough to speak out, in comparison to the marijuana smoking population in the U.S.
If you will check out some statitistics, progress is being made at a decently fast rate for at least decreased marijuana penalties. I mean, the tennessee law says anyhting over half an oz. is a felony, and is punishable by 1-6 years in prison, and at one time this law was enforced like that. Now most people, unless they have a pound or two, are let go without any prison time, just probation. You are kidding yourself if you really think that things are not slowly getting better. I dont know how much better they will get, but things have gotten a lot less extreme over marijuana than they used to be.
I know my ideas dont represent reality at present, I don't believe I ever said that I believed any of my ideas would actually happen. In fact, i think I began my post (too lazy to go back and check), with "I wish".
And how are we gonna fuck up your nation? The ones who would actually wanna move up there would be good ole fashioned democratic pot smokers, in wich there is very little difference in them and a canadian. (I would guess, I dont know). If I lived in a country where something was legal that SHOULD be legal, and fellow people who lived in a nearby nation were being oppressed for something that both they and I love doing, I believe I would welcome them to my country. But that is just me.
While i urge people to do the same, speak out, be honest, DONT DEMONIZE YOUR OWN ACTIONS, DONT BE ASHAMED, its not possible. There are severe penalties, reprecusions if you will...for being a "drug user". If people DO speak out, and are HONEST they can be denied employment, shunned socially, have their children taken away, be shortlisted and hassled by the police.... it is NOT in most people's best interest's to talk about their favorite illicit hobby. Now, i did not deny that progress is being made, i mean...here at home, more than ever.Im speculating that within 10 year's i will watch a serious logical revamping of Canada's drug law's.The state's on the other hand, is moving MUCH slower, perhaps marijuana law is lightening up a tad in a few places (and it is very case dependant..) but you just need to view John Ashcroft's doing's...thing's are not lightening up on drugs in general.
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I know my ideas dont represent reality at present, I don't believe I ever said that I believed any of my ideas would actually happen.
No, but you did urge other's to materialize some sort of movement. It happen's all the time, all talk and no action, there is just no need for it. Provoke some thought, and do what you will, but dont talk out of your ass.
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And how are we gonna fuck up your nation?
Well, perhaps you will bring violence to our street's, or segregated attitude's towards our neighbourhood's, perhaps you will contribute to a more commercialized Canada, or even a more elitist, arrogant, or closeminded Canada. That sir, are a few example's of how Americans could fuck up our nation.
Also, its not just marijuana smokers that are seeking canadian status, gay's, familie's, drug user's of all sort's, activist's, and people who value their freedom, among, imsure, a very ecclectic group of others.
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Re: Leaving America [Re: PDU]
#1844463 - 08/23/03 10:24 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well for right now, as I said, I am just pushing for pot anyway. I am an active anti-prohibition person, maybe the only one in my immediate area who will actually speak up to the non drug users and say that drugs are OK when used responsibly. So I'm not talking out of my ass, I try to enlighten the views of those who have grown up thinking drugs are the worst possible thing someone could do. Before I know about someone, I wouldn't accuse them of talking out of there ass.
Im not saying that there will be no casualties in my ideal of a movement, I'm just saying that I wish people where more active like in the 60's, and were actually willing to go through some trouble to try and get things done.
And what I'm saying is that most of the people who are wanting to move to canada have the same values as you guys. Do you think that rednecks and street thugs wanna move to canada? I doubt they have even thought of it. The people who want to move to canada are the ones who have the values, and desire the freedom, that you all have. Im not saying there aren't gonna be some annoying ass americans move up there, or anything, but I know some annoying ass canadians that live down here too What I'm saying is that i dont think that the people moving to canada for the freedoms that canada now offers are gonna make much of a problem when they get up there, since they valued the type of life you guys live in the first place.
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Re: Leaving America [Re: RoKiSdEaD]
#1844578 - 08/23/03 11:11 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, i am active too, and doing what were doing is about the best we can do. People value the liberties they are allowed, and to admit to being a drug user take's away some of those liberties, its a sacrifice most people arnt willing to do. Basically, the small scale activism thats going on is completely useless, and i agree, it is too bad. However, the US isnt going to be able come out and change their stance out of the blue..that would be admitting they are lier's, beside's drug prohibition keep's their own business lucrative, control. All around prohibition is in their best interest, and to think that they are representing the people would be deluded. Speak out and be punished, the precedent is set.
Its been discussed on these boards before, and while the 60's were a time of tremendous amounts of passion compelled activism, their movement's didnt result in a fuck of alot. I wish there was a way to change thing's...but it's been pondered by many forever, and the US government is essentially out to control you under any circumstance's, and without a HUGE amount of resource's, in order to overpower the US government, and a fuckload of LUCK..it aint gonna happen. There's no need to spew rhetoric, more progressive thought, and alliance is what's needed to change thing's, not admitting your illicity.
And, Your right about The first crops of American's to come over here, but word will spread...and it could become a trend to move to the freethinking liberal ground's of Canada, all the rich trendster's will hop over here, starting families (no doubt expanding our economy) but possibly overrunning us with their lifestyle influences. Its a concern, its not stoppable, hopefully it will be the bushmen, pot families, and liberal's that will be comming.
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Re: Leaving America [Re: PDU]
#1844784 - 08/24/03 01:12 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have a good friend in Switzerland, and he says its bliss there. Canada as well.
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Re: Leaving America [Re: alakona]
#1844796 - 08/24/03 01:19 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hah, Just yesterday i said "under no circumstances would i want to leave bc for an extended period...except for maybe to go to some places in europe, maybe switzerland"
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Re: Leaving America [Re: RoKiSdEaD]
#1845086 - 08/24/03 09:00 AM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Activists are actually demonized by the media and those watching...its such a shame. There are continuous reports of police brutality with even calm and humble protesters, who get prison sentences just for speaking out. Under the Patriot Act, if you block traffic (or committ any mundane crime for that matter) you can be labeled a terroist and tried as one. Ashcroft is now pushing the Victory Act, here, which if passed, all drug users will be considered 'narco-terrorists' and will be given terrorist sentences. That means you, and I, and anyone else who uses drugs for enlightenment or fun will be charged as terrorists under this Act. Its scary.
Its abhorrant to me, and I fear such an Act will be permitted to pass in Congress, as the anti-drug propaganda has saturated the minds of American's into thinking that 'all drugs are evil'. I admit, before I saw the draft for the Victory Act, I thought that maybe, just maybe, we were making an edge here in America in regards to personal freedoms. But I think its getting too big for us. This monster had taken decades to create, and if people are willing, will take decades to bring down. I know I sound like a wounded pessimist, but I just don't see that happening.
All I want for my life is to be happy, without the continuous oppression and fear that for munching on some shrooms I could be given a jail sentence and spend the rest of my existence in there. I just want peace from all this bullshit. I'm sick of people telling me that 'I should support my country in everything'. I'm sick of seeing people day in and day out who are so fanatically patriotic that they've lost sight of what this great country used to stand for. I just want peace from it all.
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Re: Leaving America [Re: MOTH]
#1846432 - 08/24/03 07:42 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Holy shit, I hadn't read about that yet. Well never mine PDU, I guess you were right and I was wrong, there is no fuckin hope if this bill gets passed. That is the stupidest, most horrible and unconstitutional bullshit I have ever heard about. We are going down the shithole fast.
I honestly don't think people will stand for this, but I don't know, they fuckin stood for the patriot act.Noone questions the government anymore, it is scary and sad. These fucks are allowed to do whatever the hell they want to do.
That being said, I think everyone here should send a letter to there congressman about this bill when it is introduced. We really can't afford to let this happen. From the sound of this bill, it seems like even a simple possesion charge could be linked to terrorism. This is fuckin ridiculous, and if this bill passes, I WILL get the fuck outta this hell hole until it is brought down. Because that is just complete and udder bullshit.
Anyway, nice arguing with you PDU, if I had read this previously, I wouldn't even have bothered
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Re: Leaving America [Re: RoKiSdEaD]
#1846515 - 08/24/03 08:05 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Send a letter?? But that will take time and effort, just pass me the tv guide and some , sooothing, sooo soooothing. Hey how many shroomery posters does it take to change a light bulb? A: None, shroomery posters never change anything.
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PDU
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Re: Leaving America [Re: RoKiSdEaD]
#1846547 - 08/24/03 08:15 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Sorry for shattering hope, it sucks. Youve got a good attitude though...thing is, you cant disagree with your government, its just not possible to change their mind's when greater force's are at work. Compared to those greater force's (greed, industry, special interest groups) you are nothing, Us collectively - are nothing. I mean,ive been preaching this long before i ever heard about any victory or patriot act's, it just take's a clear head to see where thing's are going, and its fairly easy to make generalized accurate prediction's. Get out when you can, spread the message, and encourage to do the same. The only way to stop the US from contaminating the rest of the world is to start swaying international economic focus. Make it more lucrative elsewhere, or less lucrative in the State's. No cash flow, no power. They have too much power now, it's been along time comming, they have the most advance'd weapon's in the world and can defend their power ferociously. I cant even imagine what would have to happen for someone else to be able to challenge the united state's. Us - World Power 2010.........thats whats running in your presidents head.
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Re: Leaving America [Re: PDU]
#1846700 - 08/24/03 08:59 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, I don't really know what to say anymore man. I used to be pro-war on Iraq/afghanistan, but now it does kind of all seem like a ploy to give the government more power. This is really sad, the way things are going. We are all gonna be in a police state soon if we are not careful. I thought everyone was starting to lighten up a little bit. Actually, it seems like a whole bunch of state governments have lightened up (even my state, tennessee, in the bible belt, has lightened up on marijuana over the years.) Maybe we will have another civil war or something, who knows. But I personally think noone gives a damn enough, or don't understand/care about their freedoms enough to even question what is going on. Or they are so ignorant (this is prolly the case) that they don't even reaize what all these laws mean. they just want terrorism eradicated. What the hell are we even fighting for anyways? It certainly isn't freedom, we have already signed that over... sigh... I hate these times...
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Re: Leaving America [Re: PDU]
#1846704 - 08/24/03 09:01 PM (20 years, 5 months ago) |
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I know that my opinion probably won't be popular on this board but here we go. Even though we as a country dip our hands in alot of shit, I am proud to be a part of the US. I think that in terms of quality of life in the country, I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. All you hear lately is people complaining about America and it's policies. I can only justify my complaining to myself if I am taking an active role to change these policies which I disagree with. Is Bush making poor decisions concerning foreign policy? Yes. Did he inherit a difficult situation concerning foreign policy when he took office? Yes. Bush became president in the most confusing election process in US history. Alot of people say that Gore should have been president. I agree with Bill Maher who said that if Gore had won the presidency it wouldn't have been any more legitimate than Bush winning. I'm not a die hard conservative or liberal so I really couldn't care. My point is that as an American in general, you inherit a political situation which you may not feel responsibility for. You can easily say "I voted for Gore so this isn't my fault." But I think that part of being a member of a country is taking responsibility. This means that either you must support policy, try to change it if you don't support it, or don't participate. But if you don't participate, you cannot be critical, because the situation no longer concerns you.
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