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Nag Hamaddi Library of Gnostic Texts
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i am reading these now and they are the key to deciphering the watered down version of the new testament the church gave people.

very good info like you get meditating on shrooms.

anyone else read these?


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Love is My God
Desire My Consort
I Desire God
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Re: Nag Hamaddi Library of Gnostic Texts [Re: mycomagnus]
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Yes, I have read the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Philip, and a little bit of the Gospel of Truth.  Just by coincidence, I have posted a very similar question before I seen yours.  Nice to see someone is on the same page as myself.  Very interesting read.  The Gospel of Thomas is my favorite.  It is very easy to read and understand.  It is very philosophical and thought provoking.

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39. Jesus said, "The Pharisees and the scholars have taken the keys of knowledge and have hidden them. They have not entered nor have they allowed those who want to enter to do so.

As for you, be as sly as snakes and as simple as doves."

102. Jesus said, "Damn the Pharisees! They are like a dog sleeping in the cattle manger: the dog neither eats nor [lets] the cattle eat."
Gospel of Thomas



So would you agree that the modern mainstream christian churches have become like the 'Pharisees and the scholars that Jesus spoke of?  I think they have by creating an image of God as something that is separate and distinct from us and that he is this terrifying great big man with a beard who is to be honored and feared and the only path to salvation is through the church.  But that is not the image of God as portrayed in the Gnostic Gospels.  If it ever became known that God is part of who we are and that we hold the keys to our own salvation, then the church would lose it's power.  Take the Roman Catholic Church for example (and I'm picking on them for no other reason than I used to be one until I began to have doubts about my faith).  They authorities of the church claim that they are the only ones who have the authority invested by God to interpret scripture and only through the priests can your sins be forgiven.  Yet they persistently lie about or misrepresent the true teachings of Jesus Christ and his life.  For example, there is no evidence even in the canonized Gospels that Mary Magdalene was a prostitute.  In fact, from what we can tell from the Gnostic, she was very prominent in the early church and was one of Jesus' closest Apostles.  In fact, according to the Gospel of Philip, Jesus kissed her on the mouth and he may even have loved her, and why shouldn't he?  The truth is that they are a bunch of sexist control freaks.

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Re: Nag Hamaddi Library of Gnostic Texts [Re: Duggstar]
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I find it amazing that the catholic church has managed to control the earth and if it was not for the catholic church.. well.. what would have happened? Catholic church represents the spread of christianity in a forceful manner. Judaic and Orthodox religions tend to avoid forceful indoctrination beyond their own people. Other churches, the protestant churches, merely represent backlash to the 'catholic' element of christianity.
And modern evangelical churches are basically like catholicism but are developed through protestantism and invoked via popularity, charisma, community vibes, and individual's desires to avoid any sort of tradition from an ancient time.
But it is all the legacy of the catholic church, the most powerful orthodoxy since the 4th century. The orthodoxy that arise in Rome - capital of elegance, competition, and corruption


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Re: Nag Hamaddi Library of Gnostic Texts [Re: Noteworthy]
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Noteworthy, Islam also is into forceful indoctrination.


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Re: Nag Hamaddi Library of Gnostic Texts [Re: learningtofly]
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i wasnt excusing islam.. its just not so much a part of our western culture


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Re: Nag Hamaddi Library of Gnostic Texts [Re: mycomagnus]
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mycomagnus said:
i am reading these now and they are the key to deciphering the watered down version of the new testament the church gave people.

very good info like you get meditating on shrooms.

anyone else read these?




Well, of course! The Library was finally published in English in its entirety - in my lifetime!

www.gnosis.org


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γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself

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Re: Nag Hamaddi Library of Gnostic Texts [Re: Duggstar]
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wow, great responses...very thrilled to have someone else to talk to.

Duggstar said:
So would you agree that the modern mainstream christian churches have become like the 'Pharisees and the scholars that Jesus spoke of?



As I understand it, Jesus probably never existed as a physical being, but rather a group of people finally came to the understanding that Christ is in All, and that by aligning ourselves with Christ we can become perfect beings.

Same as the mushrooms say.

The church took that idea and made "the guy on the stick" a false idol to be seen as a martyr for a "SIN" you commited upon birth.  Guilt is control, and Mis Information is stronger than Denial.


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Re: Nag Hamaddi Library of Gnostic Texts [Re: mycomagnus]
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Also, thank you for the Gnosis Link, that site is AWESOME!!!!


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Re: Nag Hamaddi Library of Gnostic Texts [Re: mycomagnus]
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mycomagnus said:
As I understand it, Jesus probably never existed as a physical being, but rather a group of people finally came to the understanding that Christ is in All, and that by aligning ourselves with Christ we can become perfect beings.




Where do you get that from?  Everything I have read in both the Synoptic and Gnostic Gospels tells me that Jesus was a living human being.  He was a man who became a christ.  And what he was trying to tell us was that we could become like him and have everlasting life.  That was the good news.  We just need to know ourselves and realise that our soul does not depend on our physical bodies.

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Some are afraid lest they rise naked. Because of this they wish to rise in the flesh, and they do not know that it is those who wear the flesh who are naked. It is those who [...] to unclothe themselves who are not naked. "Flesh and blood shall not inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Co 15:50). What is this which will not inherit? This which is on us. But what is this, too, which will inherit? It is that which belongs to Jesus and his blood. Because of this he said "He who shall not eat my flesh and drink my blood has not life in him" (Jn 6:53). What is it? His flesh is the word, and his blood is the Holy Spirit. He who has received these has food and he has drink and clothing. I find fault with the others who say that it will not rise. Then both of them are at fault. You say that the flesh will not rise. But tell me what will rise, that we may honor you. You say the Spirit in the flesh, and it is also this light in the flesh. (But) this too is a matter which is in the flesh, for whatever you shall say, you say nothing outside the flesh. It is necessary to rise in this flesh, since everything exists in it. In this world, those who put on garments are better than the garments. In the Kingdom of Heaven, the garments are better than those that put them on.

Gospel of Philip



We think that we are isolated egos inside a bag of skin, and when our physical bodies perish we perish.  But that is not how it is in the Father's Kingdom.

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It is not possible for anyone to see anything of the things that actually exist unless he becomes like them. This is not the way with man in the world: he sees the sun without being a sun; and he sees the heaven and the earth and all other things, but he is not these things. This is quite in keeping with the truth. But you saw something of that place, and you became those things. You saw the Spirit, you became spirit. You saw Christ, you became Christ. You saw the Father, you shall become Father. So in this place you see everything and do not see yourself, but in that place you do see yourself - and what you see you shall become.

Gospel of Philip



Ego death!  Hehe, heaven is in a mushroom!  :mushroom2:

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"There is a world beyond ours, a world that is far away, nearby, and invisible. And there is where God lives, where the dead live, the spirits and the saints, a world where everything has already happened and everything is known. That world talks. It has a language of its own. I report what it says. The sacred mushroom takes me by the hand and brings me to the world where everything is known. It is they, the sacred mushrooms, that speak in a way I can understand. I ask them and they answer me. When I return from the trip that I have taken with them, I tell what they have told me and what they have shown me."

Maria Sabina



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Re: Nag Hamaddi Library of Gnostic Texts [Re: Duggstar]
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a quote from Mead,
It has always been an unfailing source of astonishment to the historical investigator of Christian beginnings, that there is not one single word from the pen of any Pagan writer of the first century of our era, which can in any fashion be referred to the marvellous story recounted by the Gospel writers. The very existence of Jesus seems unknown.

In the end, the Christ concept is all that matters.  Who has achieved it and when is of little importance to me.  Everyone´s Ego must die, so who cares which dead ego is which?
I just want to do it.


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Love is My God
Desire My Consort
I Desire God
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Re: Nag Hamaddi Library of Gnostic Texts [Re: mycomagnus]
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I can agree with that.  :thumbup:

You might be interested in Alan Watt's commentary on Jesus and his religion.
Alan Watts - Myth and Religion - Jesus and his Religion

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