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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: WakeboardrB]
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Addiction is a symptom of a weak mind and weak will.


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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: Geomancer]
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Geomancer said:
Addiction is a symptom of a weak mind and weak will.


Do some research on Addiction before making claims like that please.


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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: WakeboardrB]
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I've done first hand research.  I smoked for 10+ years and one day decided to quit cold turkey, and that was that.  Drank every day heavily for years, decided to quit, and that was that.  Took xanax & valium several times a day for a year plus and quit one day just like that.  Was taking a ton of pain killers every day, and quit with no problem.

I stand by my statement.


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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? *DELETED* [Re: Geomancer]
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2) You cannot fly.
3) It's never a good time to die.
4) Taking your clothes off will draw attention.
5) Keep your mouth shut at all times while in public.
6) Although you may see things that are not there, you won't NOT see things that are there.
7) Don't forget how to breathe.
8) Only carry: a house-key, some loose change, and your address in your shoe.
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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: Louiscypher]
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Geomancer said: Addiction is a symptom of a weak mind and weak will.
I've done first hand research.  I smoked for 10  years and one day decided to quit cold turkey, and that was that.  Drank every day heavily for years, decided to quit, and that was that.  Took xanax & valium several times a day for a year plus and quit one day just like that.  Was taking a ton of pain killers every day, and quit with no problem.

I stand by my statement.




Not true. There is a big difference between physical and psychological addiction. Say you are on 200mg of oxy for a couple of years and have to stop cold turkey. Your body is physically addicted to the drug and will do crazy stuff. The anxiety, exceptionally high blood pressure, muscle cramps are all physical symptoms of your body speeding up after being depressed from the drug. The opposite holds true for amphetamines and meth. The body will slow down and people will crash and want to sleep all the time.  Psychological symptoms are feeling you need the drug. Weed is not physically addictive but psychologically addictive to some people. 

What is your idea of a ton of pain killers?

On the topic of ADHD I think a lot of the cases are pure bullshit. Kids and young people have a lot of energy teachers and parents don't want to deal with it and drug the kids to calm them down. It's just too easy to throw drugs at people and not deal with the real issue. When I was in school I don't remember anyone having ADHD/ADD some kids were a bit hyper and a couple of swats on the ass with a paddle with holes drilled in it usually solved the problem.


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1) Cars can hurt you.
2) You cannot fly.
3) It's never a good time to die.
4) Taking your clothes off will draw attention.
5) Keep your mouth shut at all times while in public.
6) Although you may see things that are not there, you won't NOT see things that are there.
7) Don't forget how to breathe.
8) Only carry: a house-key, some loose change, and your address in your shoe.
9) Nobody can tell that you are tripping until you tell them "I'm tripping".
10) No matter how fucked-up you think you are, you'll eventually come down.

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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
pigfucker said:
because we have done without prescription drugs thoughout history. why now?


True.

Do you do without painkillers?

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do i actually need it? or i am just pressing the easy button. Takin the pill doing good in school. rather than just putting myself to work and applying myself more? i'm a horrible student i cant get myself to study at all. i forget everything. I'm starting to think i'm just really lazy


I'm starting to think you have ADD or ADHD.

The best way to diagnose that problem is to put you on meds and see if you do better. If you do better on meds, why would you not want to take them?


well i took some and i can already tell you it makes you a "hella lot more functional" But i believe that your body isn't just your physical. I believe it all ties together. Physical, mental, spiritual and i have always been told everything comes with a price.

Where is the catch? Say i get diagnosed with ADHD I begin to take these things. What price am i going to pay for taking the easy road on self control and patience? I feel like its either i take the hard way and shape up and the price i pay is having to work hard. Or I take a pill and there will be a new price to pay.

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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: pigfucker]
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I know that legit or not, amphetamines don't help. Unless permanent brain damage is "help".

Oh, and if you're feeling bummed out, fuck SSRI's that eat away at your brain.


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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: Visionary Tools]
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dude true that. ive been researching all night about this. And i've made my decision. I'll just have to grow up and pull my balls out and as Arthur Jones would say "do some downright hard work." Sounds good to me

Thanks or the info Guys

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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: pigfucker]
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pigfucker said:
dude true that. ive been researching all night about this. And i've made my decision. I'll just have to grow up and pull my balls out and as Arthur Jones would say "do some downright hard work." Sounds good to me

Thanks or the info Guys


You're still entitled to help though. Ask monks (as they are ovbious choices) how to meditate and get that focus you deserve.


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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: pigfucker]
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Yes, it's the treatment that's all fucked up.


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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: Visionary Tools]
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Visionary Tools said:
I know that legit or not, amphetamines don't help. Unless permanent brain damage is "help".


Amphetamine does not cause brain damage :sorry:


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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: pigfucker]
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We could keep inventing these conditions and pills to solve them forever - and we do.  Its ridiculous.  There is even one called S.A.D now where you are unhappy in the winter.  LOL, almost everybody is less happy when theres less sun.  Its natural - not a condition that should be treated with a pill.  :mad2:

If you have anxiety, depression, short-attention then take this pill and make a pharm company rich.

What did people do 100 years ago?  They taught themselves to deal with their mental issues by controlling their mind.  Fact is everybody alive gets these mental conditions to varying degrees throughout their lives and all of them can be controlled consciously by the individual.  In our modern world we have given up on internal control though.  We give ourselves to pills, doctors and placebo cures.  Everything available as an instant external fix that can be purchased. :thumbdown:

On the extreme end you have people like my sister, who is hypochondriac.  Every time the media invents a new condition she suddenly has it and has to go and get treated.  The insanity and stupidity of this world sends me insane myself sometimes.

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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: WakeboardrB]
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I view it as an evolutionary modification, I get a shit load of things accomplished at one time, yes it takes time to master ADHD but once you do you can be doing dishs while baking/ cooking/ grilling and it all works out just perfectly and in the fraction of time it would take others, my g/f thinks im a god b/c i can multitask at such an insane lvl. 

each to there own, but its not a bad thing, and tell your friends to get used to it or get lost.. not your problem...  just embrace it..


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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: Entropymancer]
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I think it's real in some cases, but nowhere near the amount of people diagnosed with it actually have it. I would say that most of the time doctors just give out Adderall like it's candy and it fucks up a bunch of perfectly normal kids. The majority end up either completely reliant on a drug they don't need or selling it.


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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: Entropymancer]
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First of all, Visionary Tools, you've gotta change that avatar man, that's Prisoner #1's av.

To the OP -- I think practically any young person could be diagnosed with ADD or ADHD these days.  I agree that they are real conditions but are horribly overdiagnosed, especially in young children (4-14).  As as adult (I assume you are over 18) you should be at a point in your life where you can decide what is beneficial for you and what is not.

I don't condone daily amphetamine use, even as prescribed by a doctor, for almost anyone.  I'm not diagnosed with ADD, but a lot of my friends are, and some of them take their doses as prescribed, and it's changed them, probably irrevocably.  That being said, I'll sometimes buy a few Adderall off some of them to use as a tool.  If I've got a big test the next day, for instance, I'll take an Adderall and study my ass off, then go the next day sober as a bird and nail it.  I don't want to go get diagnosed because it would show up on my parents insurance (I'm still covered as a full time student by my parent's plan) and they're pretty opposed to the whole ADD thing, but I'm sure I could if I wanted to.

If you find it helps you and you're insured I'd encourage you to maybe go get diagnosed and get a script, but I'd also caution you against taking it all the time.  If you've got a busy day and you'll need to do a whole lot of shit you think you'll need to concentrate on, then pop one and ace your day.  If it's just a normal day I think you could push yourself and do just fine (you've made it this far, eh?).


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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: circularvortex]
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circularvortex said:
First of all, Visionary Tools, you've gotta change that avatar man, that's Prisoner #1's av.




Uhh... no it's not. By the same correlation you could say that Pris has RR's avatar. If I recall correctly that's a picture of Visionary's actually rabbits grubbing on his actual pot leaves.


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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: Visionary Tools]
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Gastronomicus said:
I believe it's a real disorder but not even a fraction to which it is diagnosed.


That's correct.

niteowl said:
I'm starting to think you have ADD or ADHD.

The best way to diagnose that problem is to put you on meds and see if you do better. If you do better on meds, why would you not want to take them?


I'm gonna have to disagree with the diagnosis method for one reason.

Give anyone Amphetamines and they will do better. 

I don't see a problem with taking Amphetamines to help you succeed if you're having trouble. You're just bettering yourself :shrug:

Louiscypher said:
On the topic of ADHD I think a lot of the cases are pure bullshit. Kids and young people have a lot of energy teachers and parents don't want to deal with it and drug the kids to calm them down. It's just too easy to throw drugs at people and not deal with the real issue. When I was in school I don't remember anyone having ADHD/ADD some kids were a bit hyper and a couple of swats on the ass with a paddle with holes drilled in it usually solved the problem.


I agree.

Kids are hyper and active and acting silly, their being fucking kids and these days no one wants to be a real parent and shape/mold their kids. Instead they go see a doctor and get speed. Fucking 6 year olds are tweaking on Adderall man, what the fuck!

I'm a speed user and know what it's like and I can't imagine little kids with their little hearts and really underdevolped brains having to take amphetamines, that's just fucked.

You know what I dislike even more? The mothers of those kids who give them these pills every single day telling them that their "vitamins" that help keep you healthy and strong/ :nonono:

pigfucker said:
well i took some and i can already tell you it makes you a "hella lot more functional" But i believe that your body isn't just your physical. I believe it all ties together. Physical, mental, spiritual and i have always been told everything comes with a price.



I think you're a hippie.


Visionary Tools said:
I know that legit or not, amphetamines don't help. Unless permanent brain damage is "help".


Taking a 'normal' dose of amps daily won't cause you brain damage.

Visionary Tools said:
You're still entitled to help though. Ask monks (as they are ovbious choices) how to meditate and get that focus you deserve.


Another hippie.

Monks and meditation and all, wtf? Amphetamines beat the hell out of that hippie nonsense.

I'm not saying it doesn't work or anything but Amphetamines are WAY better.


I'll end my post with me saying that I fucking love my Adderall!


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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: hpi]
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It's like one of my doctors explained to me one time. And I didn't get it for awhile, but now I see what he means.

You can keep up your quality of life through a pill, but that will only last for so long. And you'll be right back to square one. Adderall especially is not meant to be taking for the long haul. your only as good as the pills you take to make you seem 'normal'


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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
The best way to diagnose that problem is to put you on meds and see if you do better. If you do better on meds, why would you not want to take them?


That is how it seems to be diagnosed often times, but that is NOT the best method at all in my opinion. People who go to the doctor and say "I can't concentrate." should not automatically be given pills. That's how it went with me, and of course I quickly realized that I didn't have it after taking the medication. But did I stop taking it? Hell no. It made me crazy productive and made me want to know everything there was to know. Plus, people will pay a good bit of money for adderall. It was incredibly stupid to keep abusing it, but I guarantee that there are a TON of people who do the same thing, even if it wasn't their original intention.

A lot of people seem to have gotten into the mindset that there's a pill to fix everything and that taking it is the best way to fix it. And maybe sometimes it is...but it probably is not the best way for many of the people that claim to have ADD or ADHD.


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Re: Do you guys believe (ADHD) is a lagit condition? [Re: pigfucker]
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I think it's a real condition, but it's only a "disorder" because it doesn't jive with the way our current society is set up.  If we still lived largely agrarian lives, ADHD would not be an issue.  In a world where we have to sit in a classroom all day to prepare for working at a boring, repetitive job all day, ADHD suddenly becomes a problem.  But it's easier to fix people than to fix society.


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