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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: drijx]
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what ever happend to...
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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: drijx]
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please stop turning this into a black and white issue.  the point in question is not to ban guns entirely.  we're talking about a ban on the excessively over-powered assault weapons.


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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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Next it will be the evil rifles that can shoot people from a distance.

Then it will be anythingthat can hold more than 3 bullets.

Then it will be anything more powerful than a 9 mmm.

Then it will be all guns, including bb guns.

Then it will be knifes orany other pointy object that a 5 year old can harm himself with.



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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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tiny_rabid_birds said:
because it's an unnecessary and ridiculously over-powered tool of destruction and i'm forced to question the stability of someone who'd wish to wield it.




the vast majority of 'assault rifles' are under powered, they
have a limited range and do very little damage in comparison to
other fire arms, most also sit in gun safes in home owners homes
so it's unlikely someone will be weilding it unless they are
deranged but at that point is the gun the issue or is it the the
individual, now lets suppose that same man sits behind the wheel
of a semi truck and directly in his path is the local baptist
church during a sunday morning service, in just a few seconds
dozens of people can be killed or injured



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that's not to say every one (or even the majority) of those gun-nuts is unstable, simply that it causes me to cautiously contemplate their character.



I guess it's better to run around being paranoid and believing
some guy with no history of instability will simply snap and go
on a killing spree, seem that those that believe they have
extremely high stress jobs where they get no recognition, no
respect and are generally shat upon by the public are more
likely to have that happen... maybe you should reconsider whom
you target as being banned from owning high capacity semi
automatics or in many cases full auto weapons especially when we
know those with that job are prone to abuse the position





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besides, i'm an argumentative bleeding heart liberal.  how comfortable do you think i'd feel in the presence of an assault-rifle wielding conservative? :smirk:




well that would all depend on the situation, if you were
breaking into his home, I'm sure it would be a very memorable
experience, if he were defending your life from the commie
threat called Obama, then I bet you'd be thrilled he hid his guns

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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: Maverick]
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DRTMaverick said:
I don't support the gun right, but it's not like he's taking your right away to leave, or to move around as you please, or to breathe.


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In my other post I put a link where it said that one fifth of one percent of violent crimes involve assault rifles, and 4% of mass murders involve assualt rifles (most mass murders are with bombs or fire).



About that comment, are you adding in terrorist acts such as those of the IRA and middle eastern groups, or are you talking gun crimes in general?  If you're going to include explosives, of course mass murders will be far less via gun than explosive device.  It only takes one explosion to take down a building.
Now if you did the statistics of mass gun murderers, (a shooting in the street that's gang or theft related isn't mass murder), then you're going to find assault rifles and shotguns as your primary weapon.



That again is a myth. The most common killing gun is a .38, and assault weapons are not the primary gun of choice among gangs. Most of them use handguns. "Easy to conceal weapons" will be the next target of gun fear-mongering.

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Less than four percent of all homicides in the United States involve any type of rifle. No more than .8% of homicides are perpetrated with rifles using military calibers. (And not all rifles using such calibers are usually considered "assault weapons.")



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California. In 1990, "assault weapons" comprised thirty-six of the 963 firearms involved in homicide or aggravated assault and analyzed by police crime laboratories, according to a report prepared by the California Department of Justice, and based on data from police firearms laboratories throughout the state. The report concluded that "assault weapons play a very small role in assault and homicide firearm cases." Of the 1,979 guns seized from California narcotics dealers in 1990, fifty-eight were "assault weapons."

Maryland. In 1989-90, there was only one death involving a "semiautomatic assault rifle" in all twenty-four counties of the State of Maryland.




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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: Kada]
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you edited your post and beat me to it.


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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I like you more with every post you make. You sir are a true american.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: adrug]
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adrug said:
Obama: �I�m Not Going to Take Your Guns Away�




yet one of the first things he does in office is pushing for a ban on weapons

I have a difficult time believing him after all the floundering
I've seen from him over the last 2 years...

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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: Kada]
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that's bullshit.  you say it as if it's a fact.  but it's fucking bullshit.  america as whole would never stand for that.  hunting is a time-honored sport that's too deeply ingrained in american culture. 

the fact of the matter is, this ban sets a completely reasonable limit to the amount of destructive force any given citizen can legally hold.  plain and simple.


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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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On weapons? On all weapons? You're daft mate.


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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Almost every promise he has made he has broken in the first 30 days. This is insaine.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: Kada]
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I can think of more that he has kept.


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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: tiny_rabid_birds]
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tiny_rabid_birds said:
that's bullshit.  you say it as if it's a fact.  but it's fucking bullshit.  america as whole would never stand for that.  hunting is a time-honored sport that's too deeply ingrained in american culture. 

the fact of the matter is, this ban sets a completely reasonable limit to the amount of destructive force any given citizen can legally hold.  plain and simple.



They are going to use that exacy reasoning to take your right to bear arms away for good. Thank you for clarifying what i was trying to say.


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: Kada]
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Kada said:
Then it will be all guns, including bb guns.

Then it will be knifes orany other pointy object that a 5 year old can harm himself with.




then the US will be just like the UK, they've been trying to
outlaw knives and air rifles for a couple of years now

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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: Gastronomicus]
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Gastronomicus said:
On weapons? On all weapons? You're daft mate.




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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: Kada]
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You're a fool if you think that. No one is advocating making all guns illegal, or even most guns. Shit you can still buy a magnum that will put a hole through concrete if you want. The second amendment shall stand.


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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Prisoner#1 said:
the vast majority of 'assault rifles' are under powered, they
have a limited range and do very little damage in comparison to
other fire arms, most also sit in gun safes in home owners homes
so it's unlikely someone will be weilding it unless they are
deranged but at that point is the gun the issue or is it the the
individual, now lets suppose that same man sits behind the wheel
of a semi truck and directly in his path is the local baptist
church during a sunday morning service, in just a few seconds
dozens of people can be killed or injured.




I agree.  Guns don't kill people. CRAZY people kill people.


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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: Prisoner#1]
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I know. It's like they are setting it up to put into one neat package. It really is for the children after all, so why not? BAH!


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~The Cultivators Motherload~

"I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them.
I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." -Robert A. Heinlein

"There is no need for temples, no need for complicated philosophies.
My brain and my heart are my temples; my philosophy is kindness."-Dalai Lama

Live long and prosper.


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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: DragonChaser]
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DRTMaverick said:
Yeah, the main problem was regulation.  I mean being able to buy assault rifles without proper background checks?  I'm Completely against that.  If you own an assault rifle, you should have to go through background checks, and every few years do a renewal on your gun title to make sure you haven't pawned it off to some street scum.

Assault rifles shouldn't flow into public hands like water, and I definitely agree on far greater restrictions. Want to challenge that idea?  Then answer, how the fuck does a 16 year old get his hands on multiple assault rifles and shotguns, and shoot up his school?  Improper weapons regulation.



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Kada said:
Next it will be the evil rifles that can shoot people from a distance.

Then it will be anythingthat can hold more than 3 bullets.

Then it will be anything more powerful than a 9 mmm.

Then it will be all guns, including bb guns.

Then it will be knifes orany other pointy object that a 5 year old can harm himself with.





Now you are starting to sound like the anti marijuana people

:rolleyes:


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Re: IS OBAMA Taking OUR GUns AWaY??? [Re: Kada]
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Like I was saying, instead of banning them, make people who purchase assault rifles go through rigorous background and psychiatric checks.  I think it's ridiculous Anyone, including people with criminal backgrounds and mental instabilities, could (before recently) still purchase an assault rifle with ease.

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