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Ecstasy safer than peanuts
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http://www.inthemix.com.au/news/intl/41762/Ecstasy_safer_than_peanuts

New Scientist magazine have called for a ‘rational debate about the true damage caused by illegal drugs’ following the mainstream media panic which greeted comments by drugs expert Professor David Nutt that ecstasy is less dangerous than horse riding. The hugely respected scientific journal made its plea in an editorial headlined ‘Drugs drive politicians out of their minds’ and presented a hypothesis comparing ecstasy risks with peanuts. “Say you have to decide whether to give a stranger a peanut or ecstasy. Which is safest? Ecstasy, of course,” the New Scientist said. “You should give them ecstasy, of course,” the magazine repeated. “A much larger percentage of people suffer a fatal acute reaction to peanuts than to MDMA.”
Latex organisation International Rubber Research & Development Board (IRRDB) published a report on the estimated 1-2% of people who suffer dangerous allergies to all sorts of natural and synthetic substances, several years ago and confirmed that peanuts are unusually lethal. “A young Scottish athlete died because he ingested a very small quantity of peanuts in a chicken sandwich. He made a mistake in not reading the contents of his sandwich, and although extremely fit (in an athletic sense) he died very quickly,” IRRDB noted.
In another alarming drug report, news portal ThisIsSomerset.com reported that growing numbers of young people are using ketamine because it’s cheaper than going to the cinema, prompting a bloodcurdling warning from local drug worker Ellie Foster. “They still say that ketamine is not physically addictive, but we think otherwise. As a drug it can have horrific health implications,” she warned. “We have recently seen 16 and 17-year-olds who will have to wear catheters for the rest of their lives because of abusing the drug. It erodes a hole in the bladder over a very short space of time – as little as six months using the drug.”

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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: wireless]
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wireless said:
... As a drug it can have horrific health implications,” she warned.



Unlike say, cigarettes or alcohol?

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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: kj912]
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A review by the UK Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD) concludes that ecstasy (MDMA) has only mild long-term effects, such as memory difficulties and mild depression, which rarely translate into real-world problems for most users. The review suggests that MDMA should be downgraded from a class A drug to class B, alongside cannabis. While some individuals experience more severe health issues, the average user's cognitive and mental health remains within normal bounds. The review emphasizes that most studies rely on self-reported data, which may not accurately represent actual usage patterns.

Coaster said:
Ecstasy's long-term effects revealed
11 February 2009 by Graham Lawton
NewScientist issue 2695

THEY called it the second summer of love. Twenty years ago, young people all over the world donned T-shirts emblazoned with smiley faces and danced all night, fuelled by a molecule called MDMA. Most of these clubbers have since given up ecstasy and are sliding into middle age. The question is, has ecstasy given up on them?

Enough time has finally elapsed to start asking if ecstasy damages health in the long term. According to the biggest review ever undertaken, it causes slight memory difficulties and mild depression, but these rarely translate into problems in the real world. While smaller studies show that some individuals have bigger problems, including weakened immunity and larger memory deficits, so far, for most people, ecstasy seems to be nowhere near as harmful over time as you may have been led to believe.

The review was carried out by the UK Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD), an independent body that advises the UK government on drug policy. Its headline recommendation is that, based on its harmfulness to individuals and society, MDMA should be downgraded from a class A drug - on a par with heroin and cocaine - to class B, alongside cannabis.

Nobody is arguing that taking ecstasy is risk-free: its short-term effects are fairly uncontroversial. MDMA is toxic, though not powerfully so - an average person would need to take around 20 or 30 tablets to reach a lethal dose. And for a small fraction of people, even small amounts of ecstasy can kill. For example, around half a million people take ecstasy every year in England and Wales, and 30 die from the acute effects, mostly overheating or water intoxication.

What has been unclear, however, is whether ecstasy use causes long-term health problems and if so, how much you would need to take to be at risk.

In animal studies the drug has been shown to inflict lasting damage to the brain's serotonin system, which is involved in mood and cognition. Imaging studies have found signs of similar damage in human users, but there are debates over whether this is caused by ecstasy use and whether the damage has any real-life consequences.

The ACMD based their review largely on a study they commissioned from Gabriel Rogers and Ruth Garside of the Peninsula Medical School in Exeter, UK. They pulled together all the research from around the world that attempted to assess the health of people who have taken ecstasy, and reanalysed the data from the 110 studies that dealt with long-term effects.

They found that compared with non-users, people who took even a small amount of ecstasy at some point consistently performed worse on psychometric tests, which measure mental performance, especially memory, attention, and executive function, which includes decision-making and planning.

The most pronounced effects are on memory, mainly verbal and working memory. While the ability to plan is somewhat affected, other aspects of executive function are not. Focused attention - the ability to zoom in quickly on a new task - suffers too, though sustained attention does not.

It is a similar story with depression. "There's a small but measurable effect," says Rogers.

These effects appear not just in current users but also in ex-users who haven't touched the drug for at least six months, suggesting that the problems are long-lasting. Strangely, there seems to be no link between the quantity taken and the severity of cognitive problems, suggesting that even a few doses can lead to these deficits.

Superficially, this adds up to a pretty depressing outlook for the e-generation, especially those who dabbled years ago but have since quit. Not so, says Rogers. Subtle differences in lab tests do not necessarily translate into real-life problems: "They're statistically significant, but whether they are clinically significant is another matter."

For example, there is little evidence that people are actually affected by the memory and attention deficits picked up in the lab tests. "They don't seem to be very big and it is not clear that they have much effect on day-to-day functioning," he says.

Meanwhile, people who have taken ecstasy are, on average, still within the normal bounds on standard depression tests. Although they score worse than people who haven't taken ecstasy, the scores aren't bad enough to warrant a diagnosis from a doctor. "There's no indication that they are drifting out of normal functioning," says Rogers.

He also warns that his results need to be taken with a pinch of salt because most studies are based on self-reports of ecstasy use, often combined with other drugs and alcohol, from people who have volunteered to take part. These confounding factors make it impossible to determine whether you have a representative sample of users, whether people's reported use correlates with how much they actually took and what effects can be blamed on MDMA.

Psychopharmacologist Val Curran of University College London says Roger's analysis "is about the best you can make of the overall mishmash". She agrees with his conclusion that on average there seems to be no evidence of any meaningful effects on daily life.

Others have a different take on it. Andrew Parrot of the University of Swansea, UK, who has been studying the health of ecstasy users since the mid-1990s says: "We see users who have taken bucket-loads and they have very severe problems." These include memory deficits, sleep disturbances, depression, weakened immunity and sexual dysfunction, he says.

Based on his own studies, he believes that almost everyone who has taken 20 tablets in total, or more, reports niggling problems in daily life. "All fairly minor on their own, but you're ending up with someone who is not as healthy as they ought to be," he says.

Rogers admits that because he took averages of such large numbers of users, his analysis may have "ironed out" some of the effects Parrot describes.

Parrot also calls ecstasy a "gateway" drug. "Former users are often heavy users of alcohol, tobacco and cannabis. When you move off ecstasy, you look for other drugs. Ecstasy use leads to other, more problematic drugs."

Despite this, however, results from the first "prospective" studies are more encouraging. These studies follow a group of people over many years and watch the effects of ecstasy unfold over time. Crucially, they are more reliable than "retrospective" studies because they don't rely on people remembering what they did in the past.

In 2002 a group in the Netherlands recruited 188 young people who had never taken ecstasy but were likely to in the future. When they retested them on a battery of psychometric tests three years later, 58 said they had taken ecstasy at least once, giving the researchers an opportunity to compare cognitive performance before and after ecstasy.

They found that on all the tests except for verbal memory, ecstasy users performed just as well as before, and on a par with abstainers (Archives of General Psychiatry, vol 64, p 728 ). The results chime with Rogers's conclusions: because the effect was so small - a difference of a quarter of a word on average from a list of 15 - the real world implications are questionable. Brain imaging revealed no changes to the serotonin system, although there were signs of damage to white matter and blood vessels. The practical significance of this is not yet known (Brain, DOI: 10.1093/brain/awn255).

Rogers cautions that it is too soon to give ecstasy the all-clear in the long term, not least because some effects on health might simply kick in even later. "It's possible that ecstasy has horrific consequences later in life. Only time will tell."


The low-down on ecstasy
• Ecstasy usually refers to a compound called MDMA or 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine.
• MDMA was first synthesised by German firm Merck in the early 20th century but only started to be used as a recreational drug in the 1980s.
• There are around 450,000 regular users in the US; half a million people take it each year in the UK.
• A seriously heavy user might take up to 40,000 tablets in a lifetime.
• Drug dealers originally wanted to call MDMA "empathy" because of the powerful feelings of "loved up" warmth it induces. MDMA is also a stimulant and a mild psychedelic.
• Recent research suggests that most ecstasy pills on the market contain MDMA as their only active ingredient. Toxic impurities are often said to be common, but there is very little evidence that this is the case.
• Most of the ecstasy on the market is in pill form, with each pill containing around 40 milligrams of MDMA. But very pure MDMA powder accounts for around 30 per cent of drugs seized, which is worrying because of the potential for taking very large doses.
• A single ecstasy tablet used to cost £15. Now they cost just £2.30.

Link: http://www.newscientist.com/article/...-revealed.html



Oddly enough I had this article opened in a tab right now that I am going to read tomorrow.  Might be a repost, but IDK cause this guy is banned here (i think).


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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: begreen0]
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MDMA is toxic, though not powerfully so - an average person would need to take around 20 or 30 tablets to reach a lethal dose


learn somehing new every day.

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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: ShroomerRoss]
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Water is toxic

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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: Ego Death]
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People drinking huge amounts of water dying, eating peanuts and dying, taking ketamine for a six month period and having a hole in your bladder?  The first I've heard of that.  Better stick with the shrooms, pot, peyote, salvia d., and ayahuasca.  Got to be extra cautious with them chems.

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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: mr.bixby]
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Well shit let's argue about how bees are a deadlier drug than ecstacy too.  I mean peopled have died mainlining bee-poison a lot from allergic reactions.  Hell they don't even voluntarily take it, they just get it. ;P



Couldn't they have done a better study?  I mean we're comparing the allergic reaction of peanuts to the toxicity of MDMA?  What?  Why does this not make sense?

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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: Maverick]
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DRTMaverick said:
Well shit let's argue about how bees are a deadlier drug than ecstacy too.  I mean peopled have died mainlining bee-poison a lot from allergic reactions.  Hell they don't even voluntarily take it, they just get it. ;P



Couldn't they have done a better study?  I mean we're comparing the allergic reaction of peanuts to the toxicity of MDMA?  What?  Why does this not make sense?



No one is attempting to say ecstasy is safer than peanuts. They are simply making the point that if you are going to try ecstasy, your chance s of dying from an overdose or "allergic" reaction are very, very insignificant.

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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: wireless]
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I still don't see the significance behind the report or the knowledge gained.  Plus since more people are exposed to peanuts than ecstacy, we really can't say for sure.  After all peanuts (nuts in general) are included in all standard allergen tests, ecstacy generally isn't.

It probably is less dangerous because people who have allergic reactions to peanuts tend to have the worst reactions of any other allergy (except people that are allergic to shellfish, those people suffer just as bad).

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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: Maverick]
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DRTMaverick said:
I still don't see the significance behind the report or the knowledge gained.  Plus since more people are exposed to peanuts than ecstacy, we really can't say for sure.  After all peanuts (nuts in general) are included in all standard allergen tests, ecstacy generally isn't.

It probably is less dangerous because people who have allergic reactions to peanuts tend to have the worst reactions of any other allergy (except people that are allergic to shellfish, those people suffer just as bad).




The misconception that drug war people like to throw out about ecstasy is that "Just one time can kill you". Implying that there is a significant risk in trying ecstasy just once because your body could be "allergic" or some evil drug dealer is going to put arsnic in your pill and kill you. They are trying to make the point that while there is some damage done by ecstasy, the risk people run of dying from "Just one pill" is almost insignificant. No one is attempting to say ecstasy is safer than peanuts. Come on now. Take it with a grain of salt and realize the implications of the article instead of "that just doesn't make sense, doh!"

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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: wireless]
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QFT wireless. After Leah Betts died, the media put out a whole campaign saying "one pill can kill". This kind of misconception, even though it is from a long time ago, still sticks with people.

The main message is that even if one pill can kill, it doesn't kill anybody who tries it, and in fact, deaths from ecstasy are so rare that peanuts kill more people.


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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: mr.bixby]
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mr.bixby said:
Better stick with the shrooms, pot, peyote, salvia d., and ayahuasca.  Got to be extra cautious with them chems.



Yes, you heard it here first; psilocybin, THC, mescaline, salvinorin A, and DMT are in fact NOT chemicals!
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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: wireless]
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wireless said:
DRTMaverick said:
I still don't see the significance behind the report or the knowledge gained.  Plus since more people are exposed to peanuts than ecstacy, we really can't say for sure.  After all peanuts (nuts in general) are included in all standard allergen tests, ecstacy generally isn't.

It probably is less dangerous because people who have allergic reactions to peanuts tend to have the worst reactions of any other allergy (except people that are allergic to shellfish, those people suffer just as bad).




The misconception that drug war people like to throw out about ecstasy is that "Just one time can kill you". Implying that there is a significant risk in trying ecstasy just once because your body could be "allergic" or some evil drug dealer is going to put arsnic in your pill and kill you. They are trying to make the point that while there is some damage done by ecstasy, the risk people run of dying from "Just one pill" is almost insignificant. No one is attempting to say ecstasy is safer than peanuts. Come on now. Take it with a grain of salt and realize the implications of the article instead of "that just doesn't make sense, doh!"





Ahh good point.  I just forgot half the nation out there doesn't have enough common sense to realize that.  :wink:

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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: Maverick]
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Yea, I think the peanut example is a good one (here is the original New Scientist editorial). I often compare mdma safety to Tylenol, which causes hundreds of deaths every year. So whether bee stings, tylenol, lightning or horseback riding, it all puts it in perspective. MDMA is a relatively benign substance.

The biggest danger of using mdma is that it is illegal or you can get an impure product cut with who knows what. Prohibition does an excellent job of guaranteeing that safe, unadulterated ecstasy is replaced by a possibly poisonous product of unknown potency and origin, regulated by the black market.

I find it odd that opponents of mdma use want absolute proof of 100% safety when there is no product or substance available today that is 100% safe. All products sold, by law, have warning labels for that reason. If anyone (politician, teetotaler, right wing zealot, whatever) is truly, sincerely concerned about the safety and availability of so called illicit drugs, they should be out there lobbying for legalization.

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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: wireless]
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wireless said:No one is attempting to say ecstasy is safer than peanuts.



It's the title of the article...


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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: wildchild68]
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This is the last time I ever have peanuts!


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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: veggie]
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veggie said:
Yea, I think the peanut example is a good one (here is the original New Scientist editorial). I often compare mdma safety to Tylenol, which causes hundreds of deaths every year. So whether bee stings, tylenol, lightening or horseback riding, it all puts it in perspective. MDMA is a relatively benign substance.

The biggest danger of using mdma is that it is illegal or you can get an impure product cut with who knows what. Prohibition does an excellent job of guaranteeing that safe, unadulterated ecstasy is replaced by a possibly poisonous product of unknown potency and origin, regulated by the black market.

I find it odd that opponents of mdma use want absolute proof of 100% safety when there is no product or substance available today that is 100% safe. All products sold, by law, have warning labels for that reason. If any anyone (politician, teetotaler, right wing zealot, whatever) is truly, sincerely concerned about the safety and availability of so called illicit drugs, they should be out there lobbying for legalization.




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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: wildchild68]
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wildchild68 said:
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wireless said:No one is attempting to say ecstasy is safer than peanuts.



It's the title of the article...



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Re: Ecstasy safer than peanuts [Re: begreen0]
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begreen0 said:
The problem is...are they talking about MDMA or ecstasy? These effects could be a result of MDMA, or they could be a result of all the amphetamines and countless other random chemicals found in street Ecstasy. But either way, it seems caution is definitely a good idea...



its the same thing...


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