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United Nations' threat: No more parental rights
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United Nations' threat: No more parental rights
Expert: Pact would ban spankings, homeschooling if children object


By Chelsea Schilling
© 2009 WorldNetDaily

A United Nations human rights treaty that could prohibit children from being spanked or homeschooled, ban youngsters from facing the death penalty and forbid parents from deciding their families' religion is on America's doorstep, a legal expert warns.

Michael Farris of Purcellville, Va., is president of ParentalRights.org, chairman of the Home School Legal Defense Association and chancellor of Patrick Henry College. He told WND that under the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child, or CRC, every decision a parent makes can be reviewed by the government to determine whether it is in the child's best interest.

"It's definitely on our doorstep," he said. "The left wants to make the Obama-Clinton era permanent. Treaties are a way to make it as permanent as stuff gets. It is very difficult to extract yourself from a treaty once you begin it. If they can put all of their left-wing socialist policies into treaty form, we're stuck with it even if they lose the next election."

The 1990s-era document was ratified quickly by 193 nations worldwide, but not the United States or Somalia. In Somalia, there was then no recognized government to do the formal recognition, and in the United States there's been opposition to its power. Countries that ratify the treaty are bound to it by international law.

Although signed by Madeleine Albright, U.S. ambassador to the U.N., on Feb. 16, 1995, the U.S. Senate never ratified the treaty, largely because of conservatives' efforts to point out it would create that list of rights which primarily would be enforced against parents.

The international treaty creates specific civil, economic, social, cultural and even economic rights for every child and states that "the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration." While the treaty states that parents or legal guardians "have primary responsibility for the upbringing and development of the child," Farris said government will ultimately determine whether parents' decisions are in their children's best interest. The treaty is monitored by the CRC, which conceivably has enforcement powers.

According to the Parental Rights website, the substance of the CRC dictates the following:

    * Parents would no longer be able to administer reasonable spankings to their children.

    * A murderer aged 17 years, 11 months and 29 days at the time of his crime could no longer be sentenced to life in prison.

    * Children would have the ability to choose their own religion while parents would only have the authority to give their children advice about religion.

    * The best interest of the child principle would give the government the ability to override every decision made by every parent if a government worker disagreed with the parent's decision.

    * A child's "right to be heard" would allow him (or her) to seek governmental review of every parental decision with which the child disagreed.

    * According to existing interpretation, it would be illegal for a nation to spend more on national defense than it does on children's welfare.

    * Children would acquire a legally enforceable right to leisure.

    * Teaching children about Christianity in schools has been held to be out of compliance with the CRC.

    * Allowing parents to opt their children out of sex education has been held to be out of compliance with the CRC.

    * Children would have the right to reproductive health information and services, including abortions, without parental knowledge or consent.


A United Nations human rights treaty that could prohibit children from being spanked or homeschooled, ban youngsters from facing the death penalty and forbid parents from deciding their families' religion is on America's doorstep, a legal expert warns.

Michael Farris of Purcellville, Va., is president of ParentalRights.org, chairman of the Home School Legal Defense Association and chancellor of Patrick Henry College. He told WND that under the U.N. Convention on the Rights of the Child, or CRC, every decision a parent makes can be reviewed by the government to determine whether it is in the child's best interest.

"It's definitely on our doorstep," he said. "The left wants to make the Obama-Clinton era permanent. Treaties are a way to make it as permanent as stuff gets. It is very difficult to extract yourself from a treaty once you begin it. If they can put all of their left-wing socialist policies into treaty form, we're stuck with it even if they lose the next election."

The 1990s-era document was ratified quickly by 193 nations worldwide, but not the United States or Somalia. In Somalia, there was then no recognized government to do the formal recognition, and in the United States there's been opposition to its power. Countries that ratify the treaty are bound to it by international law.

Although signed by Madeleine Albright, U.S. ambassador to the U.N., on Feb. 16, 1995, the U.S. Senate never ratified the treaty, largely because of conservatives' efforts to point out it would create that list of rights which primarily would be enforced against parents.

The international treaty creates specific civil, economic, social, cultural and even economic rights for every child and states that "the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration." While the treaty states that parents or legal guardians "have primary responsibility for the upbringing and development of the child," Farris said government will ultimately determine whether parents' decisions are in their children's best interest. The treaty is monitored by the CRC, which conceivably has enforcement powers.

According to the Parental Rights website, the substance of the CRC dictates the following:

    * Parents would no longer be able to administer reasonable spankings to their children.

    * A murderer aged 17 years, 11 months and 29 days at the time of his crime could no longer be sentenced to life in prison.

    * Children would have the ability to choose their own religion while parents would only have the authority to give their children advice about religion.

    * The best interest of the child principle would give the government the ability to override every decision made by every parent if a government worker disagreed with the parent's decision.

    * A child's "right to be heard" would allow him (or her) to seek governmental review of every parental decision with which the child disagreed.

    * According to existing interpretation, it would be illegal for a nation to spend more on national defense than it does on children's welfare.

    * Children would acquire a legally enforceable right to leisure.

    * Teaching children about Christianity in schools has been held to be out of compliance with the CRC.

    * Allowing parents to opt their children out of sex education has been held to be out of compliance with the CRC.

    * Children would have the right to reproductive health information and services, including abortions, without parental knowledge or consent.

"Where the child has a right fulfilled by the government, the responsibilities shift from parents to the government," Farris said. "The implications of all this shifting of responsibilities is that parents no longer have the traditional roles of either being responsible for their children or having the right to direct their children."


Michael Farris

The government would decide what is in the best interest of a children in every case, and the CRC would be considered superior to state laws, Farris said. Parents could be treated like criminals for making every-day decisions about their children's lives.

"If you think your child shouldn't go to the prom because their grades were low, the U.N. Convention gives that power to the government to review your decision and decide if it thinks that's what's best for your child," he said. "If you think that your children are too young to have a Facebook account, which interferes with the right of communication, the U.N. gets to determine whether or not your decision is in the best interest of the child."

He continued, "If you think your child should go to church three times a week, but the child wants to go to church once a week, the government gets to decide what it thinks is in the best interest of the children on the frequency of church attendance."

He said American social workers would be the ones responsible for implementation of the policies.

Farris said it could be easier for President Obama to push for ratification of the treaty than it was for the Clinton administration because "the political world has changed."

At a Walden University presidential debate last October, Obama indicated he may take action.

"It's embarrassing to find ourselves in the company of Somalia, a lawless land," Obama said. "I will review this and other treaties to ensure the United States resumes its global leadership in human rights."

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has been a strong supporter of the CRC, and she now has direct control over the treaty's submission to the Senate for ratification. The process requires a two-thirds vote.

Farris said Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., claimed in a private meeting just before Christmas that the treaty would be ratified within two years.

In November, a group of three dozen senior foreign policy figures urged Obama to strengthen U.S. relations with the U.N. Among other things, they asked the president to push for Senate approval of treaties that have been signed by the U.S. but not ratified.

Partnership for a Secure America Director Matthew Rojansky helped draft the statement. He said the treaty commands strong support and is likely to be acted on quickly, according to an Inter Press Service report.

While he said ratification is certain to come up, Farris said advocates of the treaty will face fierce opposition.

"I think it is going to be the battle of their lifetime," he said. "There's not enough political capital in Washington, D.C., to pass this treaty. We will defeat it."


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What I find strangest on the matter...
"Give me liberty, or give me death" - PATRICK HENRY


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Re: United Nations' threat: No more parental rights [Re: Chubba]
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its scary, this is a treaty by the UN :shitstorm:


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Re: United Nations' threat: No more parental rights [Re: snoot]
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snoot said:
* Children would have the ability to choose their own religion while parents would only have the authority to give their children advice about religion.

* A child's "right to be heard" would allow him (or her) to seek governmental review of every parental decision with which the child disagreed.

    * According to existing interpretation, it would be illegal for a nation to spend more on national defense than it does on children's welfare.

* Teaching children about Christianity in schools has been held to be out of compliance with the CRC. 



Yeah I definitely agree with these.  I wish these laws were in place when I was a child.  I fucking hated going to CCD (catholic school).  I even knew it was bullshit when I was 8 years old!


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Re: United Nations' threat: No more parental rights [Re: AmericanPsycho]
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AmericanPsycho said:
* A child's "right to be heard" would allow him (or her) to seek governmental review of every parental decision with which the child disagreed.

Yeah I definitely agree with these.  I wish these laws were in place when I was a child.  I fucking hated going to CCD (catholic school).  I even knew it was bullshit when I was 8 years old!



Bull shit!

If you bring home an F and I say your not gonna go out this Saturday......

your ass ain't gonna go anywhere
Fuck what the government wants
:doublefu:


Chubba said:
If you want to have the freedom of an adult, get the fuck out of the house and support yourself.

LOL @ appealing for a facebook account, if the parents don't want you to use facebook, tough shit... move out.



:congrats:



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Don't be bogged down by your past
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Re: United Nations' threat: No more parental rights [Re: snoot]
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My bullshit detector is going off like crazy.  I'll have to find something about this from some source other than a crazy right-wing nutjob site.


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niteowl said:
AmericanPsycho said:
* A child's "right to be heard" would allow him (or her) to seek governmental review of every parental decision with which the child disagreed.

Yeah I definitely agree with these.  I wish these laws were in place when I was a child.  I fucking hated going to CCD (catholic school).  I even knew it was bullshit when I was 8 years old!



Bull shit!

If you bring home an F and I say your not gonna go out this Saturday......

your ass ain't gonna go anywhere
Fuck what the government wants
:doublefu:



You're right that's a lil too extreme.  But I definitely think that the child should not be forced to follow their parents religion at a young age, because obviously they aren't capable of thinking for them self until about 12 or 13 I'd say.


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Re: United Nations' threat: No more parental rights [Re: AmericanPsycho]
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I'm all for outlawing religion

But don't tell me how to discipline my child :crankey:


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Silversoul said:
My bullshit detector is going off like crazy.  I'll have to find something about this from some source other than a crazy right-wing nutjob site.



I'm not sure if you are aware of this but they have clickable links to all there references;

http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/k2crc.htm

http://www.parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={2B53865E-A8C1-4FE6-AF67-08789FBE3C0A}

http://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=IND&id=133&chapter=4&lang=en

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Although signed by Madeleine Albright, U.S. ambassador to the U.N., on Feb. 16, 1995, the U.S. Senate never ratified the treaty, largely because of conservatives' efforts to point out it would create that list of rights which primarily would be enforced against parents.

The international treaty creates specific civil, economic, social, cultural and even economic rights for every child and states that "the best interests of the child shall be a primary consideration." While the treaty states that parents or legal guardians "have primary responsibility for the upbringing and development of the child," Farris said government will ultimately determine whether parents' decisions are in their children's best interest. The treaty is monitored by the CRC, which conceivably has enforcement powers.





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Re: United Nations' threat: No more parental rights [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
I'm all for outlawing religion

But don't tell me how to discipline my child :crankey:



I agree. Taking away a parents right to be a parent is absurd.

But I wouldn't mind some support for the kids who aren't religious and grow up in religious households that punish them for not sharing the family faith.

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Quote:
But I wouldn't mind some support for the kids who aren't religious and grow up in religious households that punish them for not sharing the family faith.



I agree, but that is a parents right as well.


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Re: United Nations' threat: No more parental rights [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
Quote:
But I wouldn't mind some support for the kids who aren't religious and grow up in religious households that punish them for not sharing the family faith.



I agree, but that is a parents right as well.



yeah they can punish them if they want, like if they don't buy them the toys they want I guess.  But parents should not have the right to send them to a religious school.

The government forces kids to go to public school/homeschool, but parents should not be able to force their kids to go to catholic school for example.  My retarded Grandma made me go for like 4 years, I don't even know how long.  What a bunch of brainwash bullshit that was, wow...

Dumb fucking bitch, I wish she would just die already.  She's this fat piece of shit hispanic lady.  We all know she's insane, nobody in the family even likes her anymore.


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Re: United Nations' threat: No more parental rights [Re: AmericanPsycho]
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Do you hate who you have become?

If not then you can't be angry at your parents
They helped mold you into the person you are today
Regardless weather or not you agreed with it or not

Harboring anger over past issues is only harmful to yourself

click the link in my sig


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Re: United Nations' threat: No more parental rights [Re: niteowl]
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perhaps you should exclude all other aspects of life that contribute to who you are. There are many things and experiences we face threwout going threw our early years that helps create the you , you are today.


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Re: United Nations' threat: No more parental rights [Re: snoot]
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I never said to exclude these life changing experiences
Only to not dwell on them, don't harbor any negative feelings toward them
or the person, place or thing that the memory stems from

'tis a very destructive path to walk


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Re: United Nations' threat: No more parental rights [Re: snoot]
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If you don't like the government telling you how to raise your kids move out... of the city.

I'm going to raise my spawn Wilderness Family style:


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Re: United Nations' threat: No more parental rights [Re: niteowl]
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niteowl said:
I'm all for outlawing religion

But don't tell me how to discipline my child :crankey:



:ilold:


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Re: United Nations' threat: No more parental rights [Re: Middleman]
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Middleman said:
If you don't like the government telling you how to raise your kids move out... of the city.

I'm going to raise my spawn Wilderness Family style:





dont let htem catch you though, one point in this article is to outlaw homeschooling. youd still have to send them to public school even if you lived out in the wilderness...

edit: and oh yeah, if this shit is real and goes down before i have kids... im leaving the US to raise my family. seriously, this is bullshit. They just keep taking rights away from us littl eby little, and people dont fucking realize it or give a shit enough to do something about it. its little by little they are getting us.

Think adding 1 + 1... they arent large numbers, but when you do that 100 times, its a large number before you realize it.

Edited by Platinum (02/06/09 08:55 AM)

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