CureCat said:

Yeah, Razoom's posts have that effect because he is using a translator to convert his posts from Russian to English...

Which make the posts no less amusing, yet he is almost certainly more eloquent in his own language.

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CureCat said:

Is that so?

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No, not at all.

I think a dog is a good intermediate step between the meixner text and trying it on a human.  The meixner test should test for amatoxins, but what if there is a chemical in the mushroom that interferes with the test?  Are you really going to stake your life on the color of a drop of mushroom sample on a newspaper? 

If the dog dies that would suck but it wouldn't be nearly as bad as a human amatoxin poisoning.

There is a time and place for animal research, and that time and place is when it might save someones life.

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You are a cool guy Alan to hang out with and listen to- but that, no matter how you try to spin it- is rediculous. 
Just because they are 'sensitive' to the toxins doesn't mean you will get any valid research or information due to the pain tollerance of a dog, and the fast motabolism, tollerance, overall health, age, diet and difference in breeds.  Some dogs are much more resistant and walk it off like nothing.. at least nothing you could tell by pure viewing.

To use that information souly to validate consumption is crazy. Without LAB conditions, your gaining no official information... and definatly nothing you could use to say its safe to consume.

Is this the kill your dog tek?  Or more important, the kill yourself tek?  I have seen my dog munch through amanitas and got many down before I could stop her, and she showed no signs that she had consumed anything.

Not ALL dogs react the same way to toxins.

Controlled experiments are one thing, back yard dog teks are another.

Still much love for you man

Alan Rockefeller said:

I wouldn't bioassay a little lepiota, a lot of them have amatoxins.  I'd try a meixner test first, if that is negative then feed it to a dog, if the dog lives then feed it to a human.

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Razoom said:

But the deserted mice react. If such mouse eat seeds datura, she runs with convex eyes on all house from a corner in a corner to look at it(her) terribly.
If she eat leaf salvia or cactic that crept away in a mink
On some time, sometimes on some days. Sometimes slowly left from a balcony in the centre of a room, all crumpled with narrow eyes, and seemed anything her(it) did not excite more. She could by hours peer where that, sitting on among a room.

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If you need to get high that bad and have to test unknown substances on animals for the sake of consumption, your wack.  Just because they are 'sensitive' to the toxins doesn't mean you will get any valid research or information due to the pain tollerance of a dog, and the fast motabolism, tollerance, overall health, age, diet and difference in breeds.  Some dogs are much more resistant and walk it off like nothing.. at least nothing you could tell by pure viewing.  To use that information souly to validate consumption is crazy. Without LAB conditions, your gaining no official information... and definatly nothing you could use to say its safe to consume.

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