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OfflineT0aD
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Shamanism question
    #956583 - 10/13/02 10:02 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

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I know this question is not exactly for this forum, but I know here Ill get the best answer.
My question is do shamans use psychedelics, how frequent, is there some of them who think they are bad ? Peace and thanks for the replies


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Re: Shamanism question [Re: T0aD]
    #956587 - 10/13/02 10:10 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You're wierd and that was a dumb question.
HAH How do you like someone whorin up all your threads?!!!!
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And yes they do (some of them)
Not as often as you  :tongue: (it all depends on the practice, none to lots)
And, while there are plenty that don't use them (the majority in fact) I highly doubt any of them would go so far as to consider them "bad" (least in the practices I know of)

But don't take that as an excuse to call yourself a basement Shaman, just cause you get loaded every weekend.
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Re: Shamanism question [Re: Servator]
    #957081 - 10/13/02 03:55 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

>>But don't take that as an excuse to call yourself a basement Shaman, just cause you get loaded every weekend.

heh, that's a good one.


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Re: Shamanism question [Re: T0aD]
    #957166 - 10/13/02 04:32 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

My question is do shamans use psychedelics, how frequent, is there some of them who think they are bad ?

Psychedelic use among shamen is widespread. However they also use other techniques to access altered states like meditation, drumming, chanting, self-mortification, fasting etc.

The frequency usually depends on the tribes needs. If someone is ill or the tribe needs a blessing the shamen will either trip themselves or guide others through the trip.

I have read a few native americans who didn't agree with the use of peyote. But usually the cultural use of psychedelics is so ancient that the question of them being bad doesn't really arise.


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Re: Shamanism question [Re: Servator]
    #959086 - 10/14/02 06:21 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

basement shaman ?
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Re: Shamanism question [Re: T0aD]
    #960076 - 10/14/02 05:20 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Closet shaman?


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Re: Shamanism question [Re: Penguin]
    #962582 - 10/15/02 11:29 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

thats not originno
SUN EARTH PLANTS


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Re: Shamanism question [Re: T0aD]
    #978763 - 10/21/02 05:13 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

> do shamans use psychedelics

Which shamans?


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Re: Shamanism question [Re: Murple]
    #979064 - 10/21/02 07:39 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

well shamans, all of them, I mean like indians ;


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    #979104 - 10/21/02 07:56 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)



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Re: Shamanism question [Re: matts]
    #979378 - 10/21/02 10:34 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

great ;0 where do they live


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Re: Shamanism question [Re: T0aD]
    #979396 - 10/21/02 10:47 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

> great ;0 where do they live

do you plan on moving there or something?


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Re: Shamanism question [Re: T0aD]
    #979819 - 10/21/02 02:36 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

> well shamans, all of them, I mean like indians

"Indians"? As in Native Americans or Indians?

Also, as far as I know, there are shamanic traditions going back thousands of years on every continent except Antarctica. So again, I ask, which shamans do you mean?


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Re: Shamanism question [Re: matts]
    #979825 - 10/21/02 02:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

> in a tribe called the yanomama, the males trip on DMT every day to talk to their gods

No, their shamans snort yopo (5-MeO-DMT more than DMT) after dinner to appease the spirits of the food for the health of the tribe. Not all males do this daily, though it is a pretty frequently used substance, nor is "talking to their gods" really accurate.

Also, I think "Yanomama" may be a bit of a racial slur... I think they refer to themselves by another name, though I could be wrong on this, its been a while since I studied them.


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Re: Shamanism question [Re: T0aD]
    #981234 - 10/21/02 11:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

couple things, my indian friends think it is offensive to call people indians, call them native americans if you do not know their tribe, indian is almost a racist term, anyway yes members of the native american church are allowed to posses and use peyote in their spiritual journies and rituals, they do not use it for entertainment or fun though, and they do it as often as they need to communicate with the gods or supreme beings.
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Re: Shamanism question [Re: ganjaguru]
    #981726 - 10/22/02 03:13 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

Actually, the Supreme Court has struck down legal possession of peyote. Its not usually enforced, but they aren't quite allowed to have it either.


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Re: Shamanism question [Re: Murple]
    #986048 - 10/23/02 10:36 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

well I have read some basic info on shamanism the one you gave me and I have a basic idea of that... and I talk about Cuban shamans ;


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Re: Shamanism question [Re: neuro]
    #986049 - 10/23/02 10:36 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

no, I dont


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Re: Shamanism question [Re: T0aD]
    #986616 - 10/23/02 02:55 PM (15 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know much about Cuban shamanism. Most of the indigenous Taino/Arawak people of Cuba were killed centuries ago. Today's shamanism in Cuba comes more from African voodoo than from Native American shamanism I think. I don't know much about Cuban shamanism, though I'm sure there's plenty of info about it if you look around.


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Re: Shamanism question [Re: ganjaguru]
    #988037 - 10/24/02 12:28 AM (15 years, 1 month ago)

ganja your indian friends think it's racist to call them indians WTF, that's exactly what they are.

1/2 of my firends are indian and qhen they act dumb I call them savages and never once has any of them whined about racism they just call me whitie and we go on with our day.


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