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#910580 - 09/26/02 07:16 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I really want to install Linux cus Windoze security obviously sucks gonads.I tried it a few years ago and I had trouble getting my hardware working.Have a lot of the issues with soundcard drivers and such been worked out yet?And what are the better distros for newbies like myself?What is the better GUI,Kde or Gnome?Please help me out.Thanks.
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Hi there,
I'm in the same boat, I've been meaning to install linux on my box for about 2 years but I simply haven't gotten around to it (poor excuse I know).
Over those past 2 years some of the more popular distros are supposedly very easy to install and configure.
I think two of the more mainstream/commercial versions of linux are Red Hat and Mandrake.
http://www.redhat.com/
The nice thing I think about Red Hat is that there is tons of easy to find tech support and books written about it. There are some pretty good books on just securing Red Hat too....
http://www1.mandrakelinux.com/en/
Mandrake I don't really know much about, except that it very easy to use. It has a desktop very similar to windows and like Red Hat there's alot of support that you can find for it on boards and newsgroups.
Good luck, hope you find what you're looking for.
/me thinks about DLing Red Hat 
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Yes Lana is right. Either the latest version of Redhat, or Mandrake. Redhat 7.3 I believe is the latest. Redhat 8.0 is still beta I think. I've installed 7.1, piece of cake. I watched someone install the latest Mandrake, he basically just sat there while it installed and it found all of his hardware and installed drivers with no problem. It was his first linux install too.
Grab software from www.openoffice.org or you can actually get everything you need from http://linux.tucows.com/
Good luck, read all you can and join linux message groups for help.
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Alien
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#913016 - 09/27/02 06:05 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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BuzzDoctor
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Re: linux [Re: Alien]
#913071 - 09/27/02 06:27 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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You can install it on a seperate partition and boot using LILO (LInux LOader) or a boot floppy. It isn't as easy as installing to a clean harddrive however and you have to be careful not to wipe your windows partition. BACKUP anything you don't want to lose before starting this cuz you never know ... Mistakes can happen.
I would suggest using a 2nd harddrive for linux. If that isn't economically possible try this: Hide the windows partition by making the clean partition active, Partition Magic 5 or newer is a very nice piece of software to use when you start jacking around with stuff like this. Install linux on the clean partition. Download XOSL from www.xosl.org - get version 1.14, I had problems with 1.15. This will pull up a screen before any OS boots and let you choose which to boot from. You can set a default OS with a specified timeout delay to automatically boot if you don't choose one.
XOSL is an awesome FREE and OPEN SOURCE program that I've used to boot one macine into every version of windows for an ISP tech support department so they can see just what the customer is seeing when they call in for support.
XOSL has a Yahoo group too so you can ask questions if you run into problems.
Buzz
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#913159 - 09/27/02 06:59 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: linux [Re: Alien]
#913199 - 09/27/02 07:12 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Depends on the BIOS, some let you choose A,C,CDROM meaning first bootable media is in the floppy, harddrive or cdrom in that order will boot to that device. Other (newer) BIOS' will let you choose IDE0 (first hd), IDE1 (2nd) and so on will boot to that first. Whichever harddrive has the jumpers set to master on the primary IDE will boot to the active (meaning bootable) partition.
If you install XOSL on the first bootable harddrive it takes over before any operating systems and you can pre-load it to look at all available harddrives and partitions to be in the menu for you to choose from.
Or if you're in and out of your pc case as often as I am, you might just leave the side panel off and you could swap windows harddrive for linux harddrive and then boot the computer up. It isn't that much of a hassle, only takes a few seconds
If any of this is confusing (I'm drinking, sorry to be confusing), or even if it isn't confusing but you want to learn more, check out www.howstuffworks.com, click on computers and check out 'How Hard Disks Work', go from there. Alot of cool info on that site, not just computers either
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#913222 - 09/27/02 07:21 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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Re: linux [Re: Alien]
#913302 - 09/27/02 07:59 PM (22 years, 6 months ago) |
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I believe Lindows (lindows.com) should be available to the public, and i believe walmart or some store already has it preinstalled on some of their computers. I believe its based on a Fat16 (or 32 i forget) filesystem, but uses a linux kernel, although it has support for a lot of microsoft products, mostly generated twords IE, and Office suite, but also a lot of others, you may want to look into it...
Also, you may want to check out VMWARE, you can install linux distributions such as redhat, mandrake, etc, in one file, without having to repartion your whole harddrive. The best thing is, it creates virtual adapters that already use your internet connection, and you can run it while in windows, so you could be running linux in a window, while using windows.... and both could be online!
its very cool, yet very resource heavy.... you need like 512mb ram for everything to run smoothly.
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Re: linux [Re: tps]
#934072 - 10/05/02 08:27 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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It is walmart that is selling Lindows systems but I believe that it is only available ordering online from walmart. I have a copy of Lindows and am going to install it next to several different operating systems once I get my next computer built. I plan on running a couple different linux distros, lindows, win2k and some sort of linux firewall.
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let me know how it is buzz, and what version... there are a couple of people who want to learn linux, and i feel this would be easier than something like redhat since they arent trapped in an enviroment with nothing that they know.
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2 weeks after switching to linux you all will be switching back to windows, linux just isnt ready to be a desktop os... if your woried about internet security, get yourself a 486 and run it as a bsd firewall, and keep windows on your desktop....
Linux still has FAR FAR to go before it can be used anywhere near as productivly as windows on the end user desktop. Sure it can be more stable and secure, but to get it to that state on the enduser desktop can take days to get the configureation JUST right. Not to mention trying to fix it when something breaks although nothing has changed, this is always a fun one!
You'll save time hair and sanity by running a secured firewall, remeber you cant get to the windows vulneribilities if you cant reach the box.
For anyone thats considering it due to e-mail viruses and the like, quite opening those damned attachments.
If anyone would like help setting up fbsd ipfw and natd to run as a dedicated firewall send me a message and i can get ya started and piont ya in all the right directions as far as documentation and software is concerned.
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Re: linux [Re: windex]
#968090 - 10/17/02 02:47 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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windex: What do you know? Ever heard of OpenOffice? KOffice? Wine? Evolution? Mozilla? I've been using Linux for a few years, and I have no problem being productive. And if you know what you're doing, things won't break randomly. Where the fsck did you get that from?
To the original poster: Yes, Mandrake and RedHat are probably good choices for a newbie. As far as desktop environments go, I prefer KDE over Gnome. It might demand a little more CPU power and memory, but I think it's easier to use, looks better, and has more software.
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Re: linux [Re: fungor]
#972763 - 10/18/02 04:19 PM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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I just tried out lindows v2.0 a week ago at work, I was very impressed.
It looks exactly like the windows desktop, and i believe it runs on kde, I was having problems with it running wine tho, so it wasnt opening .exe files and stuff to well... couldnt install winzip or anything like that... basically its a dumb linux kernel, and instals a folder called C:, and uses wine and stuff... has Microsoft word,excel, and powerpoint (i believe), well clones of them... and has email programs similar to outlook....
Still as was said before, if your a user who has been brought up in windows, your probably are going to switch back to it after installing linux. Since its not totally compatible with windows, it lacks things users need. Personally, i use it for a lot of programming, and security stuff. Whereas i have my windows partition for browsing the web, email, and games...
All have positive and negative aspects to them.
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Re: linux [Re: windex]
#974409 - 10/19/02 08:55 AM (22 years, 5 months ago) |
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Windows vulnerabilities are exploited with or without a firewall, especially Internet Explorer. Attacks originating from OUTSIDE the firewall can be blocked but clicking a link to run something is originated from the browser and firewalls will allow it. I don't trust Windows cuz I don't trust Microsoft. I trust Linux cuz I trust open source projects. It's all there in code for you to see. It's configurable. If Linux was all that you'd ever used you wouldn't notice the lack of productivity; millions of successful productive companies use nothing but linux.
Sounds like you know your way around firewalls; that's my new pet hobby. I'm starting to run Linux Router Project, boots and runs entirely from a floppy. Have you used this? PM or post any linux firewall links. I want something that does one-to-one NAT for sure.
Buzz
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