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Oysters on recycled paper
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Winter is fast approaching and I have realized that pasteurizing straw outdoors is going to be possible, but a real pain in the ass trying to keep soaking water from freezing, etc..  So now I am interested in trying out shredded paper as a substrate.  I have grown on phonebooks before with decent results, but I can't be going door to door asking for people's old phonebooks and newspaper, so I found a couple paper recycling factories in the area that hopefully will sell me truckloads.

So my question is do I need to sterilize the recycled paper with a bleach solution when I spawn to it or should the paper be resistant enough to just wet and use?


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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: Buckeye Oysters]
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Bleach?
Bleach is not a good choice, it produces chlorine, which is toxic to fungi. It does not dissipate too well, so you will end up killing your spawn.
I would pasteurize it the same way you would do straw. So, it does not sound like you will gain anything by going to paper, IMHO.


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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: denger]
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cardboard is easy to find, cheap or free and more resistant to contamination that most other paper products. The main problem with any type of paper product though is flavor, I'm not alone in thinking that it effects the flavor.

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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: Buckeye Oysters]
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look into using gardening lime. check out the first post in this thread. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6576244#Post6576244
and this thread http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8601664#Post8601664

i use a ratio around 20g of lime per gallon of water and that seems to work well. i may even up the lime next time. this is probably one of your better options since it requires no heat at all. you can soak indoors in a large container overnight, drain and spawn.


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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: waixingren]
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I know RR has talked about not needing to sterilize paper.  Maybe he'll be on this morning...


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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: Buckeye Oysters]
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Bleach at 1 tbsp per gallon will not hurt mycellium according to Staments in the GGMM.  He mentions 'bleach bombing' entire rooms and substrate.


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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: Buckeye Oysters]
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Bleach never stopped these. I used bleach to pasteurize my subs for more than a year. You soak for 6 hours then rinse. Then inoculate. They don't absorb the bleach and they don't seem to mind it either. I wouldn't even be surprised if it wasn't even present after colonized. They always ran through the subs with vigor.



Lipa

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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: lipa]
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Is bleach or lime pasteurized substrate less susceptible to contamination than heat pasteurized substrates?  Would it let me use hay?

I'm smack dab in the middle or rice country, and I can't find rice straw!  I can get rice hulls from mills, but not the straw.  Most feed stores sell coastal, timothy and/or alfalfa hay.  Maybe I have to go out and cruise the rice farms looking for the stuff, but I don't know how to find those either.  Argh.


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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: Paresthesia]
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Paresthesia said:
Is bleach or lime pasteurized substrate less susceptible to contamination than heat pasteurized substrates?  Would it let me use hay?


Bleach and lime baths are a means to provide us with a way to prepare these substrates only if we have no other means to do so. The leachate is toxic to our environment if disposed of incorrectly. I just wanted to point that out first.

They are not as effective as heat, but can provide a high percentage of success if done right. I have never used hay as my sole substrate. I have used it to supplement my mixes, but not with the bleach method. Maybe someone else has and can shed some light on that. If you did use it I think prolonged submerged pasteurization would be best for it.

LIPA

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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: lipa]
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hay is a poor substrate compared to straw


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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: Buckeye Oysters]
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I've always heat sterilized phone books, but since lots of lime is used in the paper making process, it might be unnecessary.  All I can suggest is to try it on a phonebook or two and see.
RR


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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: Buckeye Oysters]
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Buckeye Oysters said:
hay is a poor substrate compared to straw


i do not believe that, i think hay has a bad reputation.  It is a good substrate provided that it is used under specific conditions such as type and effectiveness of sterilization used as well as the individuals circumstances.


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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: solumvita]
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Straw has plenty of microscopic tubes and pathways for the mycellium to enter and digest.  Hay is much more solid and the mycellium must work harder to eat through it.


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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: Buckeye Oysters]
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RR, which is prone more to contamination, cardboard or phonebook/newspaper paper?


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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: b3jamboree]
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b3jamboree said:
cardboard is easy to find, cheap or free and more resistant to contamination that most other paper products. The main problem with any type of paper product though is flavor, I'm not alone in thinking that it effects the flavor.


So which substrates will give you the highest quality fruits?  Straw is superior to wood based substrates as far as productivity is concerned, but if I'm going to try marketing oysters to restaurants I'll need to produce something superior to what they get from mushroom growers with big operations.

Are mushrooms grown on hardwood logs better?  It seems logical to me!  I didn't notice any huge difference between paper grown oysters and those I grew in bunker bags, aside from cap size and thickness.

My next bunker bag project will involve a small mountain of partially decomposed green pecans.  I freakin' hate squirrels.  Damn tree rats.  One tore open a bunker bag to try burying pecans in it.  Damn tree rats!!


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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: Paresthesia]
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Straw works great for oysters.  If I switch to cardboard/paper in the winter I will amend it with sterilized wheat bran, which I would hope would improve the flavor, although I haven't noticed much taste difference from paper vs straw oysters.  I would assume that wood grown oysters probably do taste the best since its their natural environment, but honestly, I have never ate a wood grown oyster.


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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: Buckeye Oysters]
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The main problem with hay is; it has a weak ability to hold moisture.

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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: Buckeye Oysters]
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books and paper are more prone to contamination IMO. The cardboard is more airy and less likely to get contaminated. I have never got contamination on cardboard. Also I pasturize my books on top of my barrel when pasturizing straw. I use about 4 of them to hold down the straw in the water. When I am done I have nicely pasturized books and I use any left over spawn I didn't use to inoculate them. After they are done I bury them in my yard and poof.





LIPA

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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: lipa]
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Reishi?  On straw?

There is no emoticon available which expresses my shock at this information.


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Re: Oysters on recycled paper [Re: Paresthesia]
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Have you done cardboard indoors Lipa?


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