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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: PGF]
    #897022 - 09/21/02 06:33 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not blind to the shit the USA has comitted. We also spend more money from humanity programs and helping other nations.than the rest of the world combined. We have forgiven so much debt it is sickening.

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With US backing, Panama seceded from Colombia in 1903 and promptly signed a treaty with the US allowing for the construction of a canal and US sovereignty over a strip of land on either side of the structure (the Panama Canal Zone). The Panama Canal was built by the US Army Corps of Engineers between 1904 and 1914. On 7 September 1977, an agreement was signed for the complete transfer of the Canal from the US to Panama by the end of 1999. Certain portions of the Zone and increasing responsibility over the Canal were turned over in the intervening years. With US help, dictator Manuel NORIEGA was deposed in 1989. The entire Panama Canal, the area supporting the Canal, and remaining US military bases were turned over to Panama by or on 31 December 1999.
1989's "Operation Just Cause", in which U.S. forces invaded Panama with the following objectives: nab the drug-dealing dictator Manuel Noriega, destroy Noriega's violent gang of criminals, and help democratically elected officials take office. To accomplish this, the Army's legendary 82nd Airborne division, the Marines, and Navy SEALs were amongst the soldiers employed to bring peace to Panama.

I think you should move over there if you like them so much.


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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #897023 - 09/21/02 06:35 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

And now we turned the whole thing back over to Panama. Do you have any idea what that canal is worth? How much it took to build it?

Yeah we suck don't we.


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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #897131 - 09/21/02 10:21 AM (21 years, 6 months ago)

This post is opinion, not fact.

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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #897667 - 09/21/02 02:50 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Burning everything on the way out? sounds vaguely familiar.... I think the US has been known to do such things as well.


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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: PGF]
    #897969 - 09/21/02 05:41 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #898144 - 09/21/02 06:48 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

"I'm not very fond of waiting around untill someone crashes another plane and thistime it has a nuke or chems on board."

How is this different then Saddam not wanting to wait around for the civilian population of Iraq to get bombed and terrorized by the US? Fuck all the "they started it" bullshit, both countries are guilty.

"I think it is nieve to believe these people wouldn't put a knife in your back at thier first opportunity. They can't stop fighting amoungst themselves, what makes you think they will treat us different if we turn our backs? "

Who are "these people?"

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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #898156 - 09/21/02 06:55 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

"background:
With US backing, Panama seceded from Colombia in 1903 and promptly signed a treaty with the US allowing for the construction of a canal and US sovereignty over a strip of land on either side of the structure (the Panama Canal Zone). The Panama Canal was built by the US Army Corps of Engineers between 1904 and 1914. On 7 September 1977, an agreement was signed for the complete transfer of the Canal from the US to Panama by the end of 1999. Certain portions of the Zone and increasing responsibility over the Canal were turned over in the intervening years. With US help, dictator Manuel NORIEGA was deposed in 1989. The entire Panama Canal, the area supporting the Canal, and remaining US military bases were turned over to Panama by or on 31 December 1999.
1989's "Operation Just Cause", in which U.S. forces invaded Panama with the following objectives: nab the drug-dealing dictator Manuel Noriega, destroy Noriega's violent gang of criminals, and help democratically elected officials take office. To accomplish this, the Army's legendary 82nd Airborne division, the Marines, and Navy SEALs were amongst the soldiers employed to bring peace to Panama."

You forgot the best part of the story. Manuel Noriega was trained in the School of the Americas, a terrorist training camp in Fort Bening Georgia.

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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #898276 - 09/21/02 07:55 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

In reply to:

I'm not blind to the shit the USA has comitted. We also spend more money from humanity programs and helping other nations.than the rest of the world combined. We have forgiven so much debt it is sickening.

background:
With US backing, Panama seceded from Colombia in 1903 and promptly signed a treaty with the US allowing for the construction of a canal and US sovereignty over a strip of land on either side of the structure (the Panama Canal Zone). The Panama Canal was built by the US Army Corps of Engineers between 1904 and 1914. On 7 September 1977, an agreement was signed for the complete transfer of the Canal from the US to Panama by the end of 1999. Certain portions of the Zone and increasing responsibility over the Canal were turned over in the intervening years. With US help, dictator Manuel NORIEGA was deposed in 1989. The entire Panama Canal, the area supporting the Canal, and remaining US military bases were turned over to Panama by or on 31 December 1999.
1989's "Operation Just Cause", in which U.S. forces invaded Panama with the following objectives: nab the drug-dealing dictator Manuel Noriega, destroy Noriega's violent gang of criminals, and help democratically elected officials take office. To accomplish this, the Army's legendary 82nd Airborne division, the Marines, and Navy SEALs were amongst the soldiers employed to bring peace to Panama.

I think you should move over there if you like them so much.




WOW, you are more lost than I imagined.

Like Saddam, we propped up Noriega. When Noriega started acting indepoendant of what the US told him to do, we invaded under the false pre-tense of capoturing a drug trafficker. Shit man. Do you really think the US does not profit from all the cocaine smuggled into this country?

And, if we were so hell bent on just getting Noriega on drugs, why did we invade with a fucking army?

I don't see the US taking over the gorilla held regions of Columbia just because the leaders there are all involved in the drug trade.

Sure, we have men there training others, but there is no invasion force of US men going in to weed out the leaders.

Bullshit.

Plus, Noriega was in HIS country. He was doing his thing. If it was not for the canal, we would never overthrow him and his dictatorship.

Ever hear of Saudi Arabia? We deal with them and they are not democratic. All the countries we buy oil from are non-democratic societies.

You are blind.


You said something to the efect of , "if you like it so much there, why don't you live there". This just shows that you haven't a clue of what america is about, or is supposed to be about.

Just another "me" generation asshole flunky kid who doesn't know shit.

Moe, you are a nigger for moving this thread, btw.


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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: PGF]
    #899329 - 09/22/02 01:25 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

There is one country that definately has weapons of mass destruction. Iraq might be a bit of a threat, but this country has already made plans to attack other countries unprovoked. They aren't ashamed to talk about it either.


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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: MortMtroN]
    #902748 - 09/23/02 08:21 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

How is this different then Saddam not wanting to wait around for the civilian population of Iraq to get bombed and terrorized by the US?

Yeah because he'll force cizillians to sit on every millitary target. He's shown a lot of concern for his "people" in the past.


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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: PGF]
    #902805 - 09/23/02 08:41 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Like Saddam, we propped up Noriega. When Noriega started acting indepoendant of what the US told him to do, we invaded under the false pre-tense of capoturing a drug trafficker. Shit man. Do you really think the US does not profit from all the cocaine smuggled into this country?

We put him in power, built a canal and by god we'll take him out if he wants to look a gift horse in the mouth . I got no problem with that.

And, if we were so hell bent on just getting Noriega on drugs, why did we invade with a fucking army?
I don't see the US taking over the gorilla held regions of Columbia just because the leaders there are all involved in the drug trade.


the canal is in that Panama, not in Columbia so Panama is much more important. the canal is the only way beween the oceans unless you go all the way around South America. If we were that bad we would have just kept it in the first place.
Neither you or I know all the details or reasons we deal with some countries one way and others in a different way.

This just shows that you haven't a clue of what america is about, or is supposed to be about

You have your opinion and I have mine. I'll still fight for you right to it along with the right of every person to have these freedoms. that my friend is the point of America.

Just another "me" generation asshole flunky kid who doesn't know shit.

What generation is that? My 7 year old daughters? I've had enough time to travel Europe, serve my country w/ honor, and start a family.
What have you ever given of yourself?

And now you make it personal. How mature are you?


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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #902824 - 09/23/02 08:49 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

In reply to:

They don't control the canal wich is the only way beween those oceans unless you go all the way around South America.




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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: PGF]
    #902838 - 09/23/02 08:54 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Atlantic and Pacific. duh.

A ship traveling from New York to San Francisco can save 7'872 miles using the Panama Canal instead of going around South America. * In the fiscal year 1994 there where 14'029 transits, which carried 170.8 million long tons of cargo and paid US $ 419.2 million in tolls.

That is why we worrie about Panama and not Columbia


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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #902850 - 09/23/02 08:58 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

no, no. the owrd, it is spelled with an H.

All that world travel hasn't helped your spelling too much.


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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: PGF]
    #902853 - 09/23/02 09:00 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Do you really think the US does not profit from all the cocaine smuggled into this country?

Not nearly as much as we would by legalizing and taxing. Hmm, maybe money is not the only issue. Any idea how much $ leaves the American economy through the drug trade? If that money stays here it can be taxed and retaxed every time it changes hands through buying stuff. It is much better if it stays here. Sure the CIA or some other black budget might finace shit through you method but it aint shit to what we loose. Billions gone, never to be taxed again.


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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #902857 - 09/23/02 09:01 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

In reply to:

Sure the CIA or some other black budget might finace shit through you method but it aint shit to what we loose.




World travel does not the grammar help......


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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: PGF]
    #902858 - 09/23/02 09:02 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

In reply to:

no, no. the owrd, it is spelled with an H.

All that world travel hasn't helped your spelling too much.




hmm, what ever you say professor.


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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: PGF]
    #902863 - 09/23/02 09:04 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

World travel does not the grammar help......

So is this all you have now? You should be an english teacher.


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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #902876 - 09/23/02 09:11 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: pre-emptive strikes [Re: PGF]
    #902913 - 09/23/02 09:22 PM (21 years, 6 months ago)

Meaning your getting off subject and is your critiqe of my grammer all you have to say now.


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