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Offlinekykeon
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Searching for the ultra-potent substrate! ;)
    #871185 - 09/09/02 06:08 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

after some discussion with Anno, i decided to make an experiment with a cake that will contain high amount of nutrients.
the cake i made is pictured here:



unfortunately, I think that the fairy of pressure cookers is against me... lol so the glass was separated from its bottom inside the pc,
resulting to my decision to toss it away...

before trying the experiment again i would like to ask:

How strong is the mycelia of cubbies? Mycelia of some species, eg Lentinula Edodes, are so strong that they eat wood which is hard. The cake i made after pressure cooking resulted to a thick mass of food, you can imagine, because it contained no vermiculite so as to have space inside it.

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    #871401 - 09/09/02 10:41 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: How strong is the mycelium of cubbies? [Re: matts]
    #871411 - 09/09/02 10:47 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

nasty looks: yeap, it is the corn flour that gives to it that ill yellow color, i dont like it either.... :grin:

i didnt know that table sugar is not liked my cubbies... btw, i have made some pf-style cakes with corn flour instead of brf, and i also added a spoon of sugar and a spoon of see-weed agar. lol but the mycelium is there alive and growing... wtf?

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Re: How strong is the mycelium of cubbies? [Re: matts]
    #871430 - 09/09/02 11:01 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I think that mushrooms prefer simple sugars.

Dextrose (fructose) is monosaccharide (C6H12O6)
http://www.orst.edu/food-resource/sugar/fructose.html
while the table sugar is di-saccharide.


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Re: How strong is the mycelium of cubbies? [Re: matts]
    #871515 - 09/09/02 11:56 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

>> I've also been thinking about dehydrated foods that contain tryptamines...

thats seems a fine idea... btw, which dehydrated foods contain tryptamines? do you have any link for further reading?

>> what are you looking to increase...potency, size, speed of colonization, number of flushes/bulk from each casing?

i am trying to increase flushes basically, that was my main problem so far. i am also changing my casing method, because i think plain verm is such poor and pathetic casing so i will try 1) some peat moss mixture 2) coco coir 3) dung mixture

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Re: How strong is the mycelium of cubbies? [Re: matts]
    #871628 - 09/09/02 12:38 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

corn? i am using flour from organic grown corn... :laugh:

btw, can you explain a little bit more about MAOIs and tryptamines? for example psilocyn is what? and we must avoid the use of what? and why? :wink: sorry for many questions, its just that i have read a lot about MAOIs and never understood it because everything was written for scientists as it seemed... :smile:

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Re: How strong is the mycelium of cubbies? [Re: kykeon]
    #872107 - 09/09/02 11:11 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)



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    #872167 - 09/09/02 11:32 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)



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Re: How strong is the mycelium of cubbies? [Re: kykeon]
    #872278 - 09/09/02 12:30 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Cubensis mycelium is strong enough to eat through an Alum bread pan.



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Re: How strong is the mycelium of cubbies? [Re: matts]
    #873293 - 09/09/02 09:50 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

ANNO, MATTS: THANX! you gave me what i was seeking... :smile: i may come up with questions later... :wink:

ROADKILL: Okee, so the density of the cake isnt that of a problem

THANX!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: How strong is the mycelium of cubbies? [Re: matts]
    #873825 - 09/10/02 07:00 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

so, what do you think of "fava beans" ? its close to grains somehow lol and it shouldnt be eaten if MAOIs are taken, so it contains tryptamines, right?

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Re: How strong is the mycelium of cubbies? [Re: kykeon]
    #873869 - 09/10/02 07:27 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

I believe I've seen posts in Adv. Mushroom Cultivation that concerned using beans. The reports were negative. Try a search there for more information.


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Re: How strong is the mycelium of cubbies? [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #874063 - 09/10/02 08:46 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

yeap i found those posts.

MOE was absolutely sure that BEANS dont work. FAVA BEANS? lol MOE where are you when the city needz you? :wink:

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Re: How strong is the mycelium of cubbies? [Re: kykeon]
    #874066 - 09/10/02 08:47 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Hehehe... :smile: 


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Re: How strong is the mycelium of cubbies? [Re: matts]
    #875668 - 09/10/02 09:26 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Matts!!!

Well i studied carefully what you wrote. Then i did more searching on the net, as i knew this time what i was looking for.and came up with 2 questions that can help create a more potent cubbie. Btw, are cannabinoids MAOIs ? Also, what is the difference between alkaloid and diterpene?

I am gonna sign this post also as Wyckeon :wink: lol

(1) Cubbies produce psilocybin AND psilocin. Could additional phosphate in the substrate increase the amount of psilocybin and lower the psilocin levels?

(2) 3% of Peganum Harmala seed's weight is Harmine and Harmaline which both are MAOIs. Their cost is 10 euro for 20 grams and can be lower. Could those "syrian rye" seeds give to the shrooms some Harmaline or Harmine? If that could happen we could end up with cubbies containing a tryptamine AND a MAOI...

Now lets say that we could experiment with phosphate and/or syrian rye. The problem will be actual testing, i suppose prior to eating then we should check whats IN them. Is there an easy method to be done so as to check psilocybin levels and/or MAOI's presence? I dont mean at home, but hey, there are thousands of members on Shroomery!!!

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Re: How strong is the mycelium of cubbies? [Re: kykeon]
    #875781 - 09/10/02 10:36 PM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm. Seems to me that if you could find a phosphor atom containing material, that and tryptamines could increase psilocybin. I'v spent a small while searching, and there seems to be something called phosphor wich is used to coat black lights/fluroescents/lasers(when some particle hits the phosphor atom, it emits the rays). It seems this chemical is called phosphor, or phosphor material. I think phosphate rock material contains the phosphor atom, and is where the phosphor material comes from. Also, i do not know if mycelium could pull nutrients/atoms from a rock or powdered rock, or if this phosphor chemical is available.

I dont know if that helps or not, as my chemistry can somewhat be distorted ;].


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Re: How strong is the mycelium of cubbies? [Re: kykeon]
    #875850 - 09/11/02 12:00 AM (14 years, 9 months ago)

Alright, way to experiment! You should certainly continue with the nutrient experiments but you may want to play around with the pf tek recipe so you can grow a control group to compare your changes to. Nice explanation of the active molecules, Matts. Have you read much about the effect of drying on the potency? I've assumed that they lose their potency (or the amount of the more psychoactive molecule- psilocin) through the drying process. I also assume that the pH of the substrate could affect the potency. If this seems complicated to most of you - it is. It's organic chemistry of indole alkaloids if you want to go seach textbooks. Web sources are highly suspect in regards to science since they rarely provide sources. Anyways, eat fresh! and may your mycelium outcompete your mold!


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