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Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate?
    #861489 - 09/03/02 11:05 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Hey!

I know that adding tryptamines to substrate is supposed to increase potency but DMT is rare and its a waist to use. To the best of my knowledge psilocybin is a tryptamine, which means it would have the same effect on the fruits, right?

Could adding dry, crushed mushrooms to your substrate increase potency? The mushroom also contains nutrients that it gets from the mycelium, increasing the amount of nutrients in the substrate, right?

Would this be worth a try, in theory i mean? Any reason this wouldnt work? General thoughts on the idea?

Thanks
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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Fd3000]
    #861496 - 09/03/02 11:07 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

hmm...sterilization...heat...psilocybin..hmm.


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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Fd3000]
    #861508 - 09/03/02 11:11 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

what would be the point?

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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: zandorf]
    #861512 - 09/03/02 11:12 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

What if you extracted with methanol, and injected? that'd take care of any heat problems

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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Servator]
    #861517 - 09/03/02 11:13 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

i jus thought of something...how do you think your shrooms would feel bout this =)


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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Servator]
    #861518 - 09/03/02 11:13 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

What if you just ate a couple of extra grams or switched to pan cyans? :grin: 


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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Fd3000]
    #861519 - 09/03/02 11:13 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

that's a big no. That's like trying to plant your weed, in weed.


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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Shaw]
    #861611 - 09/03/02 11:40 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Shaw- Thats a funny comparison, lol!

Mickey- Well, this was just an idea. As for the cyans, its in progress...researching i mean NOT growing :wink:

Servator- Good idea!

Anno- To improve potency...

But would it even improve potency? I mean like 2 grams of dry mushrooms per jar... Maybe extract and inject?

Maybe its just a bad idea, oh well i though id get the expert opinions...
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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Fd3000]
    #861619 - 09/03/02 11:44 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

>Anno- To improve potency...

I know that :wink:

But why wouldn?t you simply eat those mushrooms instead of adding them to substrate?

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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Anno]
    #861628 - 09/03/02 11:50 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

for the sake of science.... :wink:

I was thinking the exact same thing a couple of weeks ago,
had a discusion about this with Moloko.

I think im gonna try it sometime...its not economical because you can eat some more shrooms to trip harder instead of crushing some shrooms....but wht the heck...boosting shrooms with shroom sounds like a fun experiment


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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Anno]
    #861647 - 09/03/02 11:59 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

1 reason I can think of, if you have 1g of potent shrooms, that equal say 3g of ordinary cubensis, the potent shrooms are gonna be easier on the stomach. If pure psilocybin is used there are no adverse stomach reactions. So if one doesn't have the stomach for 3g, then potentiating substrate is the way to go :wink:, the gut reaction seems to be in the fruitbodies.

Good luck

 


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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: DreaMaTrix]
    #861672 - 09/03/02 12:12 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

In reply to:

the gut reaction seems to be in the fruitbodies.



Timothy Leary experimented with pure psilocybin and if I'm not mistaken, some students still suffered from abdominal issues when administered the pure drug without the mushroom. I have seen people suffer from nausea after ingesting the same mushrooms other people ate with no ill effects.


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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #861691 - 09/03/02 12:18 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

>Anno- To improve potency...

I know that

But why wouldn?t you simply eat those mushrooms instead of adding them to substrate? 




Well for the sake of science, for the sake of trying something new and untested :laugh:
Fd 


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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Fd3000]
    #861733 - 09/03/02 12:37 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Why don't you try eating 11 dry grams of Cambodians and you won't be asking what will get you higher any more.


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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Roadkill]
    #861735 - 09/03/02 12:38 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

lol :grin: 

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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Fd3000]
    #861762 - 09/03/02 12:53 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Even if it did work and increase potency, do you think it would do it two fold? You always lose something, you cant just get more for nothing. My opinion is your better off just eating the dried shrooms...

But I could be wrong, try it if you want.


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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Fd3000]
    #861783 - 09/03/02 01:03 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

as well, if you're going to go through the trouble of extracting the psilocybin and related chemicals from the mushrooms, why don't you just eat the extract? seems like the best solution to me. =p

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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: mickey_rourke]
    #861831 - 09/03/02 01:28 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Yes you are right Mickey, but many individuals have slight to moderate allergies to most mushroom fruiting bodies. So while some people are going to react when their bodies feel the first alert, others might be reacting to any number of compounds in the fruiting bodies themselves (other than the good stuff).
I think if you really want to avoid as much of the nausea as possible (if you're sensitive) then just do the ethanol/H2O extraction.


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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Alkaloids]
    #861995 - 09/03/02 02:56 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I dont care about the potency outcome or how "high" ill get. If the potency increases at all then it will be something new that nobody has ever done. Its just fun to try something new and interesting!

Maybe some of you grow just to trip but i actually enjoy the whole process and trying something new would be fun!
Fd :crazy: 


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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Fd3000]
    #862023 - 09/03/02 03:17 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

my question is: if it did increase potency, would it be enough to notice, or would you need to be able to analize it in a lab? i say try anything once. if it doesn't work... big shit. at least you would know for sure. myself, i would use the bseed to spawn bulk style.


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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: ellisdee625]
    #862356 - 09/03/02 07:01 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

How about adding MDMA HCL to the water before mixing it with the grains could it be expected that the MDMA would stay in the water and end up in the water in the shrooms. Would make for a yummy tasting shroom. Might just have to try that one

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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: ellisdee625]
    #862363 - 09/03/02 07:04 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Fd3000 you say you don`t grow to get high, yet you are trying to improve the potency of your shrooms???
Why would you be doing that then?

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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #862367 - 09/03/02 07:07 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

That doesn't sound at all like a narc thing to say.....
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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Fd3000]
    #862376 - 09/03/02 07:10 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

>Well for the sake of science, for the sake of trying something new and untested

OK. Go for it. Good luck.

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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Fd3000]
    #862408 - 09/03/02 07:27 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

If you could get it working, it'd be really cool.  Think about it: After growing "concentrated" shrooms, extract their alkaloids and use them to grow more "concentrated" shrooms.  I'm sure some sort of diminishing returns kicks in after a while, but you could continually concentrate the shrooms until you have something that'll really knock your socks off  :grin:

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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Aeolus1369]
    #862454 - 09/03/02 07:46 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

You talking to me servator??

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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #862455 - 09/03/02 07:48 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

:grin: Just fuckin wicha, phrasing makes it sound like your tryin to put him in a corner

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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Servator]
    #862523 - 09/03/02 09:10 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Will in some respect I am but not for any reason.
I`m more just contradicting what he`s saying by arguing his own agrument back at him :smile:
My point was that the only reason a person would try to increase potency is to become higher.
The point everyone else was making was that he should instead just eat more or grow a stronger strain.
But even that isn`t necessary, shrooms are strong enough.

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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #862527 - 09/03/02 09:17 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Yea, I have to agree with ya on every point. I think this is one of those experiments that'l produce no useful results, but is cool to do anyway.
And from what I understand, nobody on this forum grows anything illegal, cause drugs are bad and everything.....  :wink:

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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Servator]
    #862613 - 09/03/02 11:17 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Last time I checked :smile:
Cool animation

Edited by DERRAYLD (09/03/02 11:18 PM)

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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: DERRAYLD]
    #862710 - 09/04/02 01:15 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Servator- I like the avatar!

DERRAYLD- What the hell did i say? Becasuse its something new and fun to do! I dont care about getting higher because, as stated before i could just eat more mushrooms if that was the goal. I wanna be a poineer!

See some of us actually like the science and study involved in mushroom growing...
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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Fd3000]
    #862794 - 09/04/02 03:04 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I grow to take shrooms sure but my main enjoyment comes from the cultivation of all mushrooms.
So I wasn`t trying to be negative or disrespect you I was merely posing the argument.
Understand?
I personally find anything to do with mycology to be incredibly interesting.
That`s why I`m converting a room in my house into a clean room, to grow edibles of every kind and to spread them in my town and others surrounding me.
Do you know how many people have no idea how good mushrooms taste?
Everyone thinks the std button mushroom is all there is.
I will change their ideas.

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Re: Adding crushed dried mushrooms to substrate? [Re: Fd3000]
    #862881 - 09/04/02 04:24 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

seems to me that even if it worked,
you'd end up losing.
because it would take more psilocybin
than it would give.


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