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American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate
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The AAP gets tough on vaccine dissenters

The American Academy of Pediatrics is growing so concerned about the climbing rate of vaccine exemptions--and the possible affect on community health--that it recently formed a group called the "Immunization Alliance" to address the growing refusal of some parents to vaccinate.

In a letter sent to members, the AAP identified the following as problems:

    * "Parent-to-parent spread of myths."
    * "A public that does not understand the risk of vaccine-preventable diseases."
    * "Unbalanced Internet and media exposure."
    * "Decreased trust in the government and health care providers."
    * "Slow response to negative news coverage."
    * "Increasing calls for philosophical exemptions."

But here's a problem the AAP missed: The sheer number of recommended and mandated vaccines is freaking parents out. And new combo shots that contain a stew of four or five different vaccines aren't going to help matters.

In 1982, The Centers for Disease Control recommended 23 doses of 7 vaccines for children up to age 6.

Today, the CDC recommends that children get 48 doses of 12 vaccines by age 6. That's a lot. Toss in flu shots for all infants and children and it boosts the number of recommended vaccines for children to 69 doses of 16 vaccines by age 18.

The two new combo shots approved yesterday by a federal advisory panel don't change the schedule; they just reduce the number of individual shots. GlaxoSmithKline's four-in-one shot offers protection against diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis and polio. Sanofi Pasteur's five-in-one shot is for diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis, polio and illness due to Haemophilus influenzae type b, or HiB.

But parents who are already asking doctors to unbundle the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine because they want their child to have individual vaccines aren't likely to embrace a five-shot cocktail. The new shots are also likely to raise questions, concerns and storage issues.

And how does the AAP plan to handle it? The organization will not talk about choice or informed consent, issues that should be raised with any medical procedure that carries a risk.

Instead, the AAP suggests in a sample letter to pediatricians, that physicians tell parents who refuse to vaccinate that they have a "self-centered and unacceptable attitude" since your child is getting protection from others who have chosen to vaccinate.

And if you absolutely refuse to vaccinate your child despite your physician's efforts, you could be booted from your pediatrician's practice. The sample letter to doctors from the AAP recommends saying:

    "We will ask you to find another health care provider who shares your views. We do not keep a list of such providers nor would we recommend any such physician."

Chicago Tribune


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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: Diploid]
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Do you guys have to pay for vaccines? It'd be a shame if parents are choosing not to vaccinate based on financial reasons. At least the combo shots will reduce the number of injections.


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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: zouden]
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People are citing safety concerns. What informed parent wants to inject mercury (read: thimerosal) into their kids?


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: Diploid]
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The AAP gets tough on vaccine dissenters


Hey, you want to inject mercury into people? You first. Take your fucking mercury laden "medicine" (that doesn't really do anything but weaken one's immune system).

Vaccinations are designed to grant immunity from a disease. In which case, they should be purely voluntary. Don't want that disease? Take the shot. You've got nothing to worry about from unvaccinated people, because if you took the vaccination, you're not going to get that infection, or if you do, your immune system will quickly tackle it.

This just reeks of collectivism. "You must vaccinate your children for the greater good!"

How does injecting a neurotoxic preservative into a child good? You're telling me, that in all the decades of chemical innovation, the only preservative vaccine companies can use is mercury based?

What next, fluoride in our water?


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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: Diploid]
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Diploid said:
What informed parent wants to inject mercury (read: thimerosal) into their kids?


Every informed one, since the dosis of mercury  you get through thimerosal conserved vaccine is as less than you get when you eat a portion of tuna...

A common content of mercury in a vaccine is 25 µg per dose.

A small tuna steak (200g/7 oz) contains 60 µg mercury!
Same size shark steak 180 µg mercury!

Read
http://www.fda.gov/CBER/vaccine/thimerosal.htm
and
http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~frf/sea-mehg.html


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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: Anno]
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The concern isn't just over mercury. Other suspect organometallic compounds are used in vaccines that I would not want in my kids.


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2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: Diploid]
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So are the doctors and vaccine makers just stupid, and the average parent knows more than they do about the dangers?

Or are the doctors and vaccine makers purposefully poisoning the population in some devious conspiratorial plot?

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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: DieCommie]
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Mercury has been linked to the rising levels of autism in children.  Now if this mercury is from the vaccines or not, I haven't seen, but they had stuff on the news report about it.  Until it is tested under more scrutiny, there is no telling...though I have had lots of vaccination, as have my children, and we are all fine and well.

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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: DieCommie]
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So are the doctors and vaccine makers just stupid

Not stupid. Greedy.

I dunno about doctors, but vaccine makers (the pharmaceutical industry) has a history of putting profit ahead of safety, and the FDA a history of sleeping on the job.

Vaccines are a good thing, don't misread me. But putting blind faith in their safety, efficacy, and necessity just because they're 'experts' is dangerous, IMO.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: Diploid]
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Following blind faith in their safety is never good, but vaccines generally are a good thing.

Most people in my country are vaccinated (it's free), but you don't have to. There are some groups that don't vaccinate their children for (stupid) religious reasons. They profit from herd immunity while not contributing to it.

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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: Annom]
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But if the "herd immunity" thing could be seen by some as kinda thin propaganda, especially considering the disease situation today they won't see how they are benefiting from it except that by having a bunch of other people take vaccines they enjoy a perimeter perhaps that they didn't make and was voluntarily "contributed to".
I think people get to choose and I think the ones on the "better ways" than current vaccine proposals and methods are justification enough for the "don't want any" crowd.
Medicine is getting away with violating people's rights and intimidating them all over and especially in child related areas which is a shame because they are farming their victims at the expense of everyone else who does bother to educate themselves and make choices.


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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: Annom]
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Mass vaccinations can lead to things like the eradication of smallpox, and polio.

A lot of these vaccines (and their components) have been given to millions of children for decades with no adverse events.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: badchad]
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There's no way vaccines are related to autism. First they claimed it was the mercury, but they removed the mercury in the 90s yet autism continued to rise. And vaccination rates have been falling but autism is still increasing. It just doesn't fit the data. Something else causes autism.


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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: zouden]
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I think 99% of these vaccines are unnecessary.  I wouldn't pay money for vaccines unless I thought there was a real risk of getting the disease they prevent.  I am sure they were necessary at some point in history, but with most kids vaccinated I doubt there would be any consequences from not giving any vaccines.

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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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>  I am sure they were necessary at some point in history, but with most kids vaccinated I doubt there would be any consequences from not giving any vaccines.

Unfortunately, that isn't how it works.  When I was in high school, a large group of kids (160+) went on a trip over Christmas break.  After we got back, one of the kids came down with the measles (or mumps, I can't remember for certain which).  They quickly gave everybody that had gone on the trip a MMR booster shot.  Unfortunately, by then it had started to spread through the entire high school (2500 students).  They gave the entire student body a MMR booster shot.  Still didn't stop it.  They ended up giving all high school and junior high school students in the entire city a MMR booster shot.  And this is in a place where vaccinations are required to attend school.  Imagine the spread like wildfire had none of us been vaccinated.  (I didn't get sick.)


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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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I am sure they were necessary at some point in history, but with most kids vaccinated I doubt there would be any consequences from not giving any vaccines.

That's kinda selfish relying on others to risk the vaccine and give you the benefit without the risk. If everyone thought this way, we'd have polio again within a generation or two. :shrug:

Not that I entirely disagree with you. If I had kids, I might do the same thing knowing that I wouldn't be the only one. Just sayin...


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: Diploid]
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> That's kinda selfish relying on others to risk the vaccine and give you the benefit without the risk.

If this did happen, and your non-vaccinated child were to get sick and start an localized epidemic, then would you be criminally negligent?  (I don't know, but something to think about...)


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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: Seuss]
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I'm surprised at diploids stance, but I agree with it.

First, the policy of the pedatrician's group is stupid.  I'm sick of overbearing medical societies and this is just another example.

For all the bitching the medical groups do about free markets, they want nothing of the sort.  They just want more money and control.  They know what's best for your kid, and they want you to submit.

They also know its better to have an anesthesiologist at your surgery and will try and prevent you from having your choice of provider, as you'd have in a free market, and try and block legislation giving nurses and others the right to practice anesthesia.

Similar to how they limit the medical schools and residency positiions available:  they want their to be an artificial shortage of doctors, and they want their money.

Fuck doctors' groups.  We need a return to free market medicine like we had in the 1800's earlier 1900's.  Fuck the FDA, fuck the doctors, fuck the legislation.



As for the actual immunization, I think its a pretty stupid issue.  The parents that object to the mercury exposure can demand mercury free vacines.  Who cares if that means the kid will need to get more shots?  These things are usually IM/SC anyways, so its not a big deal.  The kid will live, deal with it.

I agree with the doctors that the anti-vaccination people are usually fucking insane, but so what?  I think the parents should have the right to refuse vaccination so long as the kid doesn't object.

The only issue of relevance is the public school issue.

As for that, I again side with the parents, despite having a pretty low opinion of them.


I think someone has to make decisions for the child, and it might as well be the parent.  The risks for the unvaccinated aren't so great that the state can legitimatly interfere, in my opinion.

I was vaccinated, and glad I was, too.  I just don't like doctors trying to tell folks what to do or use coercive tactics to do so.  The legislators and doctors groups allready create an artificially high demand for doctors, and now they try to use that for coercive purposes?  Screw that.

The schools should teach kids.  If the schools want to exclude sick kids, fine.  But don't exclude healthy kids on the ground that they could be a vector for a disease- garbage.

If the parents want to go to a school with all white children, or all immunized, or all circumcized, or all anything else, they are free to go to a private school with such a policy- or should be.

But they shouldn't be able to demand conditions on school attendance for other people's kids that is unrelated to the proper role of a school- and that is teaching, not healthcare.

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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: johnm214]
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The schools should teach kids.  If the schools want to exclude sick kids, fine.  But don't exclude healthy kids on the ground that they could be a vector for a disease- garbage.

If the parents want to go to a school with all white children, or all immunized, or all circumcised, or all anything else, they are free to go to a private school with such a policy- or should be.


This is the only part I disagree with you.  If parents want to skip vaccinations, fine, BUT, their kids don't get to mingle with my kids at public school.  Private schools can take whatever risks they like.  Home schooling is also an option.  (Unfortunately, debate about public schools existing or not is for another thread.)

There is a difference between "all white schools", "all circumcised schools", and "all immunized schools".  The difference is that in all white or all circumcised, the act of being white or being circumcised does not have the potential to effect the health of another child.  If a non-vaccinated child gets sick and spreads disease to some vaccinated children, then the vaccinated children's parents should have recourse to sue for loses (lost wages, medical expenses, etc) caused by the non-vaccinated child.

(Personally, I don't think there should be public schools funded by the federal government, thus the federal government shouldn't have any say in immunizations for school children; unfortunately, we have to work within the system that exists.)


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Re: American Academy of Pediatrics Gets Tough on Parents Who Refuse To Vaccinate [Re: johnm214]
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legislation giving nurses and others the right to practice anesthesia.


:eek: holy shit I cannot think of a worse idea


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