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InvisibleRipper
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Re: Q about Gartz tryptamine research
    #85654 - 05/17/00 01:06 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Gartz's tryptamine research on the internet is commonly regarded as bullshit. I disagree. I think the study is very real its just no one has actually mixed in the correct proportions and that the formula was not designed to work with a non-nutrient based materials(ie. vermiculite). Me and an un-named individual(I don't know if he would want to be named) have figured out a correct approximation of Tryptamine Hydrochloride which could be added to an all grain(particularly rye grain) substrate. Nyther of us have conducted the experiment yet, although it is on the list of things to do. BTW- PLEASE DO NOT buy tryptamine from MBETECH. It's a ripoff, they prey on unsuspecting individuals. Tryptamine Hcl should only cost between $3-$5/gram at MOST. I have found it for about $1.13 although I do no hand out my chemical supply sources. On a side note, please do no use straight tryptamine because its MSDS suggests that it cannot survive the heat of pressure sterilization. The molar concentration scientifically was the correct way to do the formula. But people on the, internet including PF, rather then actually looking up molecular weights and figuring out the correct proportions have simply discredited Gartz claiming bullshit. Gartz is a renound scientist and I feel as though the research is VERY real. I believe the original reference to it was an excerpt from Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World by Paul Stamets.

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Re: Q about Gartz tryptamine research
    #85656 - 05/17/00 02:13 PM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Well that's all fine and dandy but it doesn't really answer my question(s)....

1) 25mM tryp freebase or tryp hcl?

2) 25mM concentration based upon what? the dry weight of the substrate? total weight of the substrate or just hydrate the substrate with a 25mM tryp/ H20 solution?

I can figure out molar concentrations..
160 is the correct for one mole of freebase tryptamine however I realize that one mole of tryp hcl wouldn't be the same...

As far as sources of trypt go it can be synthesized relatively easily via the catalytic decarboxylation of tryptophan using a high boiling point solvent and a suitable ketone. Considering that high purity tryptophan only cost $1 per gram and the synthesis gives a 75-95 percent yield, I can make my own for just a lil over a buck a gram. So you can keep your chemical sources secret, I could care less.

I am very interested in your details on how much tryptamine hcl to add to grain...

Would you mind giving me the details?



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Re: Q about Gartz tryptamine research
    #85657 - 05/18/00 10:51 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

I thought MBEtech's prices were a little steep, but I didn't think they were inflated that much. I, too, am interested in knowing the exact amount of tryptamine (I'm assuming you use the hydrochloride) that should be added to the substrate for optimum results.

Ripper, what did you mean by this?:
please do no use straight tryptamine because its MSDS suggests that it cannot survive the heat of pressure sterilization.

"straight" tryptamine?
Should the tryptamine be added after the sterilization process?
If so, then how?



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Re: Q about Gartz tryptamine research
    #85658 - 05/18/00 11:14 AM (16 years, 11 months ago)

Straight tryptamine would bee in reference to "freebase tryptamine"

The hydrocholoride salt is more stable in comparison to the molecule in it's freebase form. The HCl salt has a mp of 248 deg C whereas the freebase has a mp of 118 deg or 244 deg F...considering autoclaving can run around 250deg F this would evaporate or even decompose the tryptamine.

[This message has been edited by woodsman420 (edited May 18, 2000).]



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