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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection *DELETED* *DELETED* [Re: micro]
    #5050642 - 12/11/05 11:53 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection [Re: Fospher]
    #5052063 - 12/12/05 12:05 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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Are you trying to say that the DMT compound of the 4-HO-DMT psilocybin make-up will be overrun by another tryptamine such as DiPT or AMT to make 4-HO-DiPT or 4-HO-AMT? If so, what good would adding DMT or 5-methoxy-DMT do besides possibly increasing the potency of the species?




Possibly overrun yes, the point? Well, I could take something easily made from tryptamine like DALT (diallyltryptamine), and add it to substrate to use the fungi friends to biosynth me some 4-HO-DALT! (much more difficult to make!).

What good would it be to add DMT? Well, yes, to increase potency! If its as easy as adding one dollar's worth amount of mimosa root bark to a jar, for 2x-5x+ potency increase, who wouldn't want to?

As for adding 5-MeO-DMT well did you read any of my last post? Did you click on that Ask Dr. Shulgin link? He talks about the mushroom enzymes and possibly getting 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT out (which he's curious about the activity!) when you add 5-meo-dmt.

Those Gartz studies, show mostly psilocin coming out when adding DMT/DET/whatever (i mean the 4-hydroxy version and not the psilocybin equivalent, 4-phosphoryloxy-whatever).  So I mixed some KOH in some water and some phosphoric acid, adjusted to a ph of 4-5, so should be potassium phosphate, which I am going to experiment with, with some of these jars i'm going to inoculate with added ground mimosa hostilis bark to see if it helps the psilocin/psilocybin ratio - hopefully making not only super shrooms, but super shrooms that are extra stable :wink:.

I have access to the needed analysis equipment, plan to do experiments with varying amounts of added mimosa bark, tryptamine added, and various synthetic tryptamines added to see what comes out!

So what I figure is, i'll come back with some kick ass results to post everywhere, with ways to help calculate how much bark to add or this and that this and.. what?

Some people will go ahead and try it, get their asses reamed hard with a half gram of cubensis and start preaching the 'new way to grow' on the internet and it'll just take off.  Thats my guess anyway..

If azurescens are the most potent, and even those are like what, 2%? Looks like these easily grown super cubensis shrooms will easily blow those away.

Check out this link, for more detail and probably where i'd be updating the most at,

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=232955

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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection [Re: radio943dmt]
    #5057983 - 12/13/05 03:03 PM (18 years, 3 months ago)

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radio943dmt said:
Possibly overrun yes, the point?




Will it still be psychoactive with the replacement of DMT with another tryptamine? And if yes, will it be as potent?


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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection [Re: radio943dmt]
    #5084591 - 12/20/05 01:39 AM (18 years, 3 months ago)

...any updates?


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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection [Re: Fospher]
    #5090227 - 12/21/05 02:29 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Will it still be psychoactive with the replacement of DMT with another tryptamine? And if yes, will it be as potent?





Depends on which tryptamine you add. If you added lets say.. DiPT which you can order and get mushrooms with 4-HO-DiPT out, then yes that would definitely be active because 4-HO-DiPT has been sold online for years also (and a damn good psychedelic it is).

That link i posted up there to what Shulgin says about 4-HO-5-MeO-DMT, http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/blg/ , he seems to guess that it will be active and should be explored but its such a pain in the ass to synthesize that.. well thats when he goes on about using mushrooms to do some cool synthesis for you.

There are a lot of tryptamines you could add that are available and probably active like DPT, MiPT, AMT and even 5-MeO-AMT which the 4-HO versions of those (just the AMT ones) haven't been tasted yet i don't think but would probably definitely be active.

Now i'd *really* like to get my hands on some DALT, in the 5-MeO-DALT entry from Shulgin's future book he mentions that 4-HO-DALT will probably be one of the fastest orally acting psychedelics, guessing like 10 minutes to come up after ingestion. I have a tiny bit if 5-MeO-DALT left which i could try tossing in there to see if i got any 4-HO-5-MeO-DALT out..

First couple i'd like to try adding are AMT and 5-MeO-DMT to see what comes out and hopefully get to taste them.

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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection [Re: radio943dmt]
    #5093747 - 12/22/05 12:37 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

A 'tiny bit', you're talking milligrams here?

If you're tossing such a small amount in with the substrate, wont most of it go to waste?


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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection [Re: radio943dmt]
    #5093817 - 12/22/05 01:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Also, what would your predictions be on addition of Tryptamine or 5-Methoxy-Tryptamine (5-MeO-T) (and the difference thereof)?

According to the Tryptamine Cubensis study, a 3.3% percentage of psilocin increase from the regular <1% was documented in Cubensis, when a .25mm concentration of Tryptamine HcL was added to the substrate on a dried cow dung/rice-grain mixture. It also says that twice the amount of water needs to be used, which I dont quite understand. Does it need to be more than damp, and 90mm be used?

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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection [Re: Fospher]
    #5094680 - 12/22/05 04:50 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Shroomery really needs more people on this.

C'mon people, look alive! This is the a loophole that could last another 5 years before anyone catches on and the drug becomes another scheduled analogue.

Im just a pawn trying to extract all information possible, and with so many growers at this forum who's opinion and experience would be extremely valuable contributing, this project could speed up exponentially!

Contribute!


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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection [Re: XxDaTxX]
    #5095915 - 12/22/05 09:36 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I am currently extracting (N,N-DMT) and would be happy to test this but to be honest i do not have a complete lab to do so. They most i would be able to do is run a test by spliting my cake into two groups. One control group that i prep as normal and a 2nd that i can place some DMT extrat into each jar. I aslo have 10lbs of MHRB so i could try to add some into a caseing but I only do PF Cakes atm. As for 5-MeO-DMT I am still looking for the best way to extract it ( I dont think useing frogs is a very good method ) though I may be wrong.


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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection [Re: Bkultra]
    #5190652 - 01/17/06 10:59 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Tryptamine HCl works by getting around the normal regulatory mechanisms to yield 3.5% of your favorite alkaloid from a species that typically limited to ~0.5%.  DMT may work, but there are questions about yield that have not been addressed. Tryptamin HCl uptake seems to be less regulated, ergo 7x output, however DMT uptake seems to be less documented as far as yields of the final product.  If you can find Tryptamin HCl, why not let the fungus methylate and hydroxylate ... it is more than capable of doing so.  That is if you can find it!

If you're set on using DMT for whatever reason .... assuming you are using natural sources, in order to evaluate DMT as an option, one would first need to find out the form of DMT in its natural state (freebase or HCl salt).  If its the freebase then uptake may be severely limited.  If you are fairly adept in chemistry, and can isolate the freebase from these plant sources, then dissolve it in a min amount of dil. HCl and adjust to a pH of 6 from NaOH.  I wouldn't suggest nuking these in a PC either, with a MP of ~50-60 C it is very possible that sterilization would degrade a large amount of it.

In other words ... if you are going to try and do this easily ... try to use Tryptamine HCl ... not freebase Tryptamine ... not Tryptophan ... not DMT (unless the last paragraph made sense to you) ... but Tryptamin HCl.  AFOAFOAFOAFOAFOAF ... let call him SWIM says to do it like this: spawn bulk substrate in bags ... then when casing make a 25 mM solution of Tryptamine HCl and spray it into the substrate after removing it from the bag (ie. thin layer, spray, another thin layer, spray, etc) ... case .... fruit ... then take ONE SINGLE CAP ... and write to me later to thank me.    :grin:

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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection [Re: XxDaTxX]
    #5204186 - 01/20/06 08:09 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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let call him SWIM says to do it like this: spawn bulk substrate in bags ... then when casing make a 25 mM solution of Tryptamine HCl and spray it into the substrate after removing it from the bag (ie. thin layer, spray, another thin layer, spray, etc) ... case .... fruit ...




Doesnt it added comtams to the substrate?

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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection *DELETED* [Re: FGL]
    #5206322 - 01/21/06 12:35 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection [Re: XxDaTxX]
    #5206535 - 01/21/06 02:02 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

so you mix the Tryptamine HCL with no sterile mineral water?

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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection *DELETED* [Re: FGL]
    #5208972 - 01/22/06 02:48 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection [Re: XxDaTxX]
    #5209416 - 01/22/06 08:30 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for your valuable info XxDaTxX !

Could you link for a good Tryptamine HCL extraction way?

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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection [Re: FGL]
    #5209425 - 01/22/06 08:32 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

do you fix the Ph of the tryptamine HCL solution before spraying the substrate?

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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection *DELETED* [Re: FGL]
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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection [Re: XxDaTxX]
    #5213465 - 01/23/06 08:09 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks again XxDaTxX!
you have been of great help! :thumbup:

do you fix the Ph of the tryptamine HCL solution before spraying the substrate?

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Re: The DMT and tryptamine connection [Re: XxDaTxX]
    #5222829 - 01/25/06 06:27 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Sounds good!

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