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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: nsmvusa]
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as long as i see deafening jumbo jets in the sky i will drive the fuck out of my car


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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: alphabeatu]
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alphabeatu said:
as long as i see deafening jumbo jets in the sky i will drive the fuck out of my car


True that!

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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: nsmvusa]
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Using the logic 'they are using oil  more than I am' doesn't make it any more justified to drive a car excessively.


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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: Drewwyann]
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no but it does deplete what's in existence forcing an eventual change to come about sooner than later


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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: Drewwyann]
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Drewwyann said:
Using the logic 'they are using oil  more than I am' doesn't make it any more justified to drive a car excessively.


whose they,the rich and powerful?

id be fine using only one car per family like we do and its a 6 cylinder,id even use a 4 cylinder but it doesnt really make a difference

do you think the filthy rich will give up flying around everywhere for 2 day getaways and interstate  bullshit spinning power lunches over our heads or their 8 cylinder holiday suvs or monster trucks,nascar, or even the millionaires sport called formula one racing?

i dont think so...


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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: alphabeatu]
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the jumbo jets you were referring to.

Edit: and no I do not think that they will stop. That is exactly what I mean by my statement you quoted though. Their actions should have no effect on yours.


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Edited by Drewwyann (06/22/08 03:21 PM)

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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: Drewwyann]
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you like em huh...


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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: alphabeatu]
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Oh yes, I love rich people that ruin everything for the rest of us.


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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: Drewwyann]
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yeah i said id drive the fuck out of my car and it sounded like i meant excessively but i meant we use it for only family orientated necessities without any guilty feelings what-so-ever....


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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: alphabeatu]
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I see 'driving the fuck out of' and 'using only for family oriented necessities' as two very different things. You can certainly see where my confusion stemmed from, yes? :o


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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: Drewwyann]
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yep it wasnt really you being confused,it was me phrasing it incorrectly so sorry if i sounded like a wasteful sob

my intentions are good;)


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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: alphabeatu]
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have a happy 2000th post! :cool:


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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
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Senor_Hongos said:
All good points.  However, given the nature of people in general, and Americans in particular, I do not think we will be as likely to "snap out of it" as some will find creative, even illegal, methods of getting the conveniences they have become used to.

My prediction parallels Visionary Tools': a Dark Age perhaps unparalleled to anything we have known by experience.


Those who employ illegal and unsustainable ways of perpetuating their lifestyle will only experience the same unsatisfactory lifestyle with greater costs than they are used to.  They just haven't reached their own personal catharsis yet.  Let them struggle, while others improve their situation by adopting healthier habits and values.

Whether the age to come is dark or light depends on your perspective and your values.  If a shift towards necessities and away from amenities spells dark times for you, then that's what you will experience.

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As food prices rise, as they most assuredly will, given the rising costs of fuel, North Americans will be far more interested in putting food on the table than worrying about other citizens of the world, imo.


I think that's wonderful.  They will better appreciate the necessities of life, and understand how needless the luxuries are.  North Americans don't genuinely give a shit about foreign plight anyway, and won't until they can experience the same difficulties.


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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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WhiskeyClone said:
Senor_Hongos said:
All good points.  However, given the nature of people in general, and Americans in particular, I do not think we will be as likely to "snap out of it" as some will find creative, even illegal, methods of getting the conveniences they have become used to.

My prediction parallels Visionary Tools': a Dark Age perhaps unparalleled to anything we have known by experience.


Those who employ illegal and unsustainable ways of perpetuating their lifestyle will only experience the same unsatisfactory lifestyle with greater costs than they are used to.  They just haven't reached their own personal catharsis yet.  Let them struggle, while others improve their situation by adopting healthier habits and values.

Whether the age to come is dark or light depends on your perspective and your values.  If a shift towards necessities and away from amenities spells dark times for you, then that's what you will experience.

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As food prices rise, as they most assuredly will, given the rising costs of fuel, North Americans will be far more interested in putting food on the table than worrying about other citizens of the world, imo.


I think that's wonderful.  They will better appreciate the necessities of life, and understand how needless the luxuries are.  North Americans don't genuinely give a shit about foreign plight anyway, and won't until they can experience the same difficulties.


Spot on. That's exactly why I am in favor of the price hike. To the people that think I fear a higher cost of living, I laugh, I embrace it. Stop letting prices control your life and start embracing self sustainability.

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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: blkjkrabbit]
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You're all fools. You can take your moral smugness and shove it up your arses. It won't feed you when fuel becomes a luxury item.

Where's the alternatives? Even if the information is declassified, and oil companies stop buying up alternative energy systems that run on water, what are you going to do about roads?

Just for once I'd like to see some other geologist back me up here on methane condensation. Oil is not a limited resource. Oil fields replenish themselves. Coal is a finite resource. Uranium is a finite resource. None of the auxilliary energy infastructure is in place. And it won't be. No micro energy generation. That'd give people liberty and freedom. And unless you've been living in a cave the past millenia, governments are not hot on liberty and freedom.


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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: WhiskeyClone]
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WhiskeyClone said:
Senor_Hongos said:
All good points.  However, given the nature of people in general, and Americans in particular, I do not think we will be as likely to "snap out of it" as some will find creative, even illegal, methods of getting the conveniences they have become used to.

My prediction parallels Visionary Tools': a Dark Age perhaps unparalleled to anything we have known by experience.


Those who employ illegal and unsustainable ways of perpetuating their lifestyle will only experience the same unsatisfactory lifestyle with greater costs than they are used to.  They just haven't reached their own personal catharsis yet.  Let them struggle, while others improve their situation by adopting healthier habits and values.


I totally agree.

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Whether the age to come is dark or light depends on your perspective and your values.  If a shift towards necessities and away from amenities spells dark times for you, then that's what you will experience.


I agree to a point.  The Dark Age I was referring to was the one where some who cannot make the shift break into my home to rob me blind to perpetuate their lifestyle.  I wasn't referring to a lack of convenience.  I've lived quite comfortably without electricity, running water, television or a phone.

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As food prices rise, as they most assuredly will, given the rising costs of fuel, North Americans will be far more interested in putting food on the table than worrying about other citizens of the world, imo.


I think that's wonderful.  They will better appreciate the necessities of life, and understand how needless the luxuries are.  North Americans don't genuinely give a shit about foreign plight anyway, and won't until they can experience the same difficulties.


Perhaps.  However, I used to think a lot of things would wake people up only to find they go back to sleep too easily or never wake up at all.  I will say that hard times can create tougher people.  Hopefully, these days will cause people to think about what they have and appreciate it, and life, all the more.


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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: Visionary Tools]
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I want to see people running on water, using it as a fuel. I wanted to see Tesla's radiant energy being used worldwide, electricity free for anyone with the antennae to pick it up. But the powers that be shut it down. We have oil, or we have nothing.



That stuff doesn't work.

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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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Alan Rockefeller said:
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I want to see people running on water, using it as a fuel. I wanted to see Tesla's radiant energy being used worldwide, electricity free for anyone with the antennae to pick it up. But the powers that be shut it down. We have oil, or we have nothing.



That stuff doesn't work.


How do you know? Saying things like that without any supporting evidence, you may as well not say anything about it at all. I'm guessing you were the debate team captain?

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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: blkjkrabbit]
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blkjkrabbit said:
Because cars are not necessities, they are luxuries


You live in the city obviously. In rural America (You know, where we make the food for y'all?) cars are how you get the 50 or 60 miles to town once a week.

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Re: i'm glad about the gas hike in prices [Re: Srirachi]
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I wanted to see Tesla's radiant energy being used worldwide, electricity free for anyone with the antennae to pick it up.


Erm, you know the energy still has to come from somewhere? Like coal, or nuclear. Tesla's energy distribution idea has nothing to do with dependence on oil.


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