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Those of you who think the elections are fixed
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Why do you think this?  I see no evidence at all.  Sure, it's bullshit in that the elections are so politicized and are candidate driven rather than issue driven, but I can't think of a reason to say that we have "no choice."


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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: g00ru]
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I think "fixed" is too strong a word, but since you didn't restrict your question to the executive election, I think a perfect example of shaping election results would be the practice of gerrymandering.

I mean, it's a pretty clear-cut example, and it can't be argued as to its intent.


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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: Ferris]
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Yeah we learned about Gerrymandering in high school government.  They used to do that like in 1820.


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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: g00ru]
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Just to be clear, it's use is still very prevelant today.


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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: g00ru]
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why would our government leave the future of our country to the people

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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: sirbojangles]
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sirbojangles said:
why would our government leave the future of our country to the people


Are you telling me that you don't trust in the people to make learned, rational choices?


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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: g00ru]
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well part of it is how everything is setup.  even if the machines arn't rigged, the political system still is.  only the rich win.  which means the partys decide who wins, because they get to choice the runners.  so we have zero choice in who we elect, it was predetermined choice A. or choice B.

any you might mention ron paul and this could be viewed 2 ways. typically it would help my point, but im looking at it from yours to save a few posts.  So if you say ron paul gives us a choice C. and that he actually had/or is given a chance in this election, and that he isn't a pawn to just pull votes from free thinkers, he's still the poorest and therefore destined to loose. while the prime candidates are plastered on tv's, phone, internet, and have a nice fancy van with cocktails come pick you up and take you to the elections to vote.

its a bullshit game, and even if you say that the machines arn't rigged and the politic's arn't rigged, there's still a 3rd aspect to it all, the numbers game and how religion plays a roll in it all, but i won't even get into that just mention it for everyone to think about


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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: makaveli8x8]
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Its who ever the main stream media decides to publicize. 95% of America cant think for them selves. ohhhhh i cant wait for American idol to come on. foreign affairs..who cares ryan seacrest is so awesome!

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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: g00ru]
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Not too long ago, I saw a video on digg where a BBC reporter was having a conference. Basically he was discussing that a colleague of his had 500 deleted emails sent to him from Karl Rove's office, because a mix-up in the email address. (.org instead of .net or something) Basically in these emails were these spreadsheets titled CagingList, with lists of voters and certain information. Basically in these caginglists, the addresses are mostly military bases. The reason for this being that when a soldier over seas sends in his vote, it goes into the system with that address listed, the address of the military base. When officials see that some odd couple thousand people are submitting votes from the same address, they call the voter to verify that the vote is indeed legit, but since they're in fucking iraq, their votes count for nothing. There are some 3 million of these votes. And who do you think the soldiers are voting for? It's not going to be a war-mongering republican, I can assure you that much.

Here's the video, the BBC reporter's name is Greg Palast. This is the real deal folks.


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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: mindspin]
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Hacking Democracy:


Even if there were no reason to believe that the votes were being rigged, the computer systems used these days are so vulnerable that it would be stupid for the power holders to NOT take advantage.


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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: Nunbuh_Chrubble]
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I'd rig elections too if I was in their shoes.

But you can be damn sure George fucking W Bush wouldn't be in there.


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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: Shroomism]
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I'd rig elections too if I was in their shoes.



Dear God, I wouldn't.

What the fuck ever happened to accountability, real democracy, and doing the right thing? Apparently all kinds of moral standards have completely gone right out the window in this country.

This is pretty much why I can honestly say that a few years from now, I will no longer call myself an American. Can any of you say that you're happy to subscribe to all of this shit? All of this corruption? The endless war? I mean, are you thrilled about your tax paying dollars going towards jets that drop fucking BOMBS on people who are no different than you or I? We're fucking 6 billion strong and we're letting the ruling elite push us around like fucking cattle, I don't understand how anyone doesn't get as pissed off as I am.

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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: mindspin]
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If your so pissed off, what are you doing about it?

And when exactly were we a "real democracy"?


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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: blewmeanie]
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blewmeanie said:
If your so pissed off, what are you doing about it?

And when exactly were we a "real democracy"?


What is there to do about it? give me a few ideas.

The elections might not be "prerigged" but they are manipulated without a doubt, not to harp on old issues, but Al Gore DID win the 2000 election. so you'll say that wasnt manipulated


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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: makaveli8x8]
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makaveli8x8 said:
religion plays a roll in it all, but i won't even get into that just mention it for everyone to think about


Definitely, GWB won the last election for no reason other than the whole religion thing by bringing up the gay marriage issue over and over again before the election to gain the religious votes.  It worked like a charm too, he swayed enough religious voters over to his side to clinch the election that nobody thought he had a chance in simply on that one issue.

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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: g00ru]
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guruu said:
Why do you think this?  I see no evidence at all.


I see tons of evidence. Study the past two elections. Look into who builds the machines. Find out who's making the rules for the democrats.

All the candidates work for the same people GWB does anyway. (not the voters)

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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: Middleman]
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Yeah obviously there is bullshit going on, Gore did win the 2000 election and did not receive the presidency.  But that was something different from what I'm talking about.  I'm talking about how some people seem to believe that this two party competition is just a hoax, and that Obama and McCain are little more than actors in a play.


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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: g00ru]
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Oh, now that's just conspiracy theory bullshit.


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Re: Those of you who think the elections are fixed [Re: Ferris]
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If the machines really do rig the elections, then that's what it is.


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