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Has anyone eaten sunami?
    #833140 - 08/21/02 01:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I have a few Ariocarpus fisseratus (living rocks) I bought them
for eating but since they are over a hundred years old I hate to
butcher them.I have one sofball size and one baseball size, the
third is raquet ball sized.

Are they endangered?


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Re: Has anyone eaten sunami? [Re: ]
    #833285 - 08/21/02 01:51 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

no, i havent eaten any YET.
but i know they arent endangered, as i just ordered one.

actually, ordered 7 different cactus, that according to erowid, are active.


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Re: Has anyone eaten sunami? [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #833312 - 08/21/02 02:04 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

When I got mine they were pretty deflated.
I have had them potted for 8 months.They are still
reinflating.


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    #833321 - 08/21/02 02:08 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

where did you get yours? i got mine from Mile's to go . great cactus place


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Re: Has anyone eaten sunami? [Re: ChromeCrow]
    #834420 - 08/21/02 09:19 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Actually, they are endangered.
Overcollection has drastically reduced the numbers of Ariocarpus Fissuratus in its natural habitat. As they grow at an extremely slow rate the species takes a long time to recover.
The Mexican authorities are trying to stop the flow of plants and seeds out of the country by unscrupulous collectors. One bloke was caught with over 200 rare cacti in his suitcase but the sad thing is that very often these stolen plants will not survive the transition to captivity so it becomes a terrible waste.

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Re: Has anyone eaten sunami? [Re: chrisesq]
    #836499 - 08/22/02 05:51 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

They are not on the endangered species list as far as I know.
Ariocarpus bravoanus would be the first one to get put on the list because it has the least number in population and it's range is exceedingly small.
Mexico tries to stop all cacti poaching (has for quite a long time)-CITES, etc.
They don't grow any slower than peyote in habitat and quicker than peyote in cultivation.
Most fissuratus will survive ok if given a similar type of environment, they are pretty hardy and can go without water for long periods of time but fissuratus, contrary to pop belief, do like some water during the warmer months and can handle a lot of water depending on temp and soil conditions.
I heard a report of ingestion where increased heart rate was pretty much the only noticeable effect.


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Re: Has anyone eaten sunami? [Re: SalsDali]
    #836765 - 08/22/02 07:44 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

where can i order one?


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Re: Has anyone eaten sunami? [Re: downforpot]
    #836783 - 08/22/02 07:54 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

there's a link in this thread


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Re: Has anyone eaten sunami? [Re: ]
    #836944 - 08/22/02 09:25 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

I think you mean tsuwiri. A tsunami is a tidal wave.


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Re: Has anyone eaten sunami? [Re: Murple]
    #837426 - 08/23/02 06:36 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

No sunami is an indian word for the living rock cactus.

http://peyote.com/jonstef/peyote.htm

SUNAMI: This plant, ARIOCARPUS FISSURATUS, has been used in folkoric medicine of Mexico and southwestern USA. It is believed to be more potent than peyote and is used in the same manner as that cactus or made into an intoxicating drink. Among some tribes it is known as Chaute (a generic term for Ariocarpus species), living rock, or dry whiskey. The latter name, however, is often used for peyote and other psychoactive cacti. There are two varieties of A. fissuratus: var. lloydii and var. fissuratus. Both have about the same phytochemical makeup. The plant contains mostly hordenine, less N-methyl-tyramine and some N-methyl-3,4-dimethoxy-B-phenethylamine. Two other species, A. kotschoubeyanus also known as Pata De Venado or Pezuna De Venado, and A. trigonus also contain these alkaloids.


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Re: Has anyone eaten sunami? [Re: ]
    #837437 - 08/23/02 06:43 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

http://space.tin.it/scienza/faccadia/nhlist.htm
Ariocarpus fissuratus Though it contains no mescaline it is considered by the Tarahumara to be more powerful than L. williamsii and is used by them as a narcotic and magical plant. It is often made into a drink which it is said causes robbers to be powerless to steal anything. Also used to remedy fevers and ease rheumatic pains. It is often called "sunami," "hikuli sunami," "chautle," "peyote cimarron" (wild peyote), or "living rock," and is considered a "false peyote." 1/P, 2, 3/P, 5, 6/P, 7/P, 8/P Hordenine
N-methyltyramine
N-methyl-3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine


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Re: Has anyone eaten sunami? [Re: Murple]
    #837524 - 08/23/02 07:38 AM (15 years, 2 months ago)

It's called both, tsuwiri and sunami. Depends on which indians you ask, the Tarahumaris or Huichols.


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