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HBWR Extraction plans
    #8218646 -

Well, I've only really messed with LSA twice. Both times were by oral consumption of Morning glory seeds.  The first time, I ate about 20 grams of Heavenly Blue Morning Glories and felt nothing. The second time I ate about 40 grams. I know this is a ridiculously high dosage, being about 1200 seeds. But I didn't feel anything from the previous 20 grams and I'm fairly experienced with psychedelics with a pretty high threshold, I'm also a big guy 6'1 260 lbs. Muscular and chubby.  In retrospect, at the time I was taking a lot of benzos fairly frequently and that may have been the factor that kept me from tripping. I did have a mild trip off of the 40 grams I took the second time, but again, I had taken about 4mg of Clonazepam that day.  I did vomit from the second dose.  The first dose was also taking on close to a full stomach.

I've decided to give it another shot.  I decided to order 100 HBWR seeds from a website. Well, they came today and to my pleasant surprise, there were over 160 seeds. I was happy about that! However, they look fairly old and dried out. I have no experience with these at all so I have nothing to compare them to.  I decided to go ahead and go with an extraction.

Here's my plan.

-Powder the 160 seeds with my small coffee grinder
-Add lemon juice for citric acid, to make sure LSA is in salt form.
-Butane blast the seed powder (non-polar extraction)
-Let butane evaporate
-Place seed powder into small jar and add about 2oz of Everclear 190 proof grain alcohol.
-Add a couple drops of mint oil (with the hope of the rumors of LSA-LSH conversion is true. If not, it will help nausea.)
-Shake periodically for 24 hours.
-Strain alcohol off seed mush.
-Discard seed mush
-Let alcohol evaporate down to about 1 oz
-Add 1/2oz of lemon juice to convert any LSA/LSH freebase to salt form to improve stability and for taste :smile:.
-Add another drop of mint oil for added Acetaldehyde
-Move tincture to 50ml alcohol bottle for storage.

Let me know if you guys think there is any step I should add or remove. I always apretiate input from those of you that are more experienced.


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"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
- Hunter S. Thomspon.

"Maybe there is no Heaven. Or maybe this is all pure gibberish — a product of the demented imagination of a lazy drunken hillbilly with a heart full of hate who has found a way to live out where the real winds blow — to sleep late, have fun, get wild, drink whisky, and drive fast on empty streets with nothing in mind except falling in love and not getting arrested... Res ipsa loquitur. Let the good times roll."
- Hunter S Thompson.

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Re: HBWR Extraction plans [Re: Matthew311oh]
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I think you have to soak the seeds in the butane, then pour as much of butane off as you can, then evaporate off the remaining butane. I think if you just let it evaporate the chemical you want to get rid of will be left on the seeds. Im not sure if this is what you were planning to do anyway.

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Re: HBWR Extraction plans (moved) [Re: Matthew311oh]
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This thread was moved from The Pub.

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Re: HBWR Extraction plans [Re: DimensionX]
    #8218703 -

Actually I was going to butane blast it

You basically take a piece of pipe with two end caps, drill a lot of holes in one end cap and place a coffee filter down into the end with all the holes drilled, then place seed matter into teh filter, then drill a small hole into the other cap the size of the butane nozzle and put the other cap on. You then spray butane through the pipe and through the seed matter. Butane boils at room temperature so it would be kind hard to soak the seeds in it or to pour it off without keeping it under compression.


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"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
- Hunter S. Thomspon.

"Maybe there is no Heaven. Or maybe this is all pure gibberish — a product of the demented imagination of a lazy drunken hillbilly with a heart full of hate who has found a way to live out where the real winds blow — to sleep late, have fun, get wild, drink whisky, and drive fast on empty streets with nothing in mind except falling in love and not getting arrested... Res ipsa loquitur. Let the good times roll."
- Hunter S Thompson.

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Re: HBWR Extraction plans [Re: Matthew311oh]
    #8218714 -

Yeah you have to keep it in an air tight jar. Your idea sounds good though.

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Re: HBWR Extraction plans [Re: DimensionX]
    #8218742 -

I think the alkaloids exist as the salt form in the seeds, acidifying before the butane blast is unecessary (I'm not sure how one would butane blast an acidic liquid).

Other than that it sounds good.


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Re: HBWR Extraction plans [Re: Entropymancer]
    #8218861 -

I'm sorry, I should have added letting the seed powder dry before the butane blast. That was my plan but I forgot to add that step.


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"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
- Hunter S. Thomspon.

"Maybe there is no Heaven. Or maybe this is all pure gibberish — a product of the demented imagination of a lazy drunken hillbilly with a heart full of hate who has found a way to live out where the real winds blow — to sleep late, have fun, get wild, drink whisky, and drive fast on empty streets with nothing in mind except falling in love and not getting arrested... Res ipsa loquitur. Let the good times roll."
- Hunter S Thompson.

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Re: HBWR Extraction plans [Re: Matthew311oh]
    #8219112 -

Matthew311oh said:
Actually I was going to butane blast it.


Such a great expression.


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Re: HBWR Extraction plans [Re: deCypher]
    #8219396 -

the butane nonpolar step is basically just using the same apparatus and technique as a butane hash oil extraction, except u discard what is extracted and keep the seeds
can we please stop calling it a butane blast? its such a lame and stupid phrase

butane is much easier to obtain in higher purities than petroleum ether, so this is a better tek than going to the hardware store and using their naptha for the non polar extraction

you really dont need to add any acid in the beginning or the end, but if you do, its not a good idea to have it any lower than 6, 6.5 would probably be ideal


you could put it into alcohol, or you could also use a cold water extraction, which is, using distilled water you soak the seed pulp for several hours in COLD water...
heat, light, and chlorine can destroy the lysergamides
the refrigerator is an ideal environment
you can acidify or soak it longer at your discression, just keep in mind that lysergamides are relatively fragile molecules

after a nonpolar extraction (its recommended to repeat it several times), most of the nasties should be gone and you may not even need to strain

bychance, are you on any ssris? its really not heard of much around, but ssris dramatically reduce the effects (im a very sensitive person but 6 good hbwr seeds did nothing but a weak body high for me when i was on ssris, now they blow my mind)


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"And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!"  -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life
"In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move."  -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"
"If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna

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Re: HBWR Extraction plans [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8219476 -

Nope, no SSRIs. I just call it butane blast because it's a commonly used term for this type of method. It's easier for some people to understand. Just used some concentrated lemon juice. PH is around 6.3. Since you seem to have a good understanding of the chemical processes. Lemon juice is water based, could I have pulled the LSA Alkaloids out of the seed pulp already? I'm letting it dry as we speak. If I've pulled the LSA alkaloids from the seed pulp do I need to worry about losing alkaloids when I spray with butane? I'm not sure.


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"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
- Hunter S. Thomspon.

"Maybe there is no Heaven. Or maybe this is all pure gibberish — a product of the demented imagination of a lazy drunken hillbilly with a heart full of hate who has found a way to live out where the real winds blow — to sleep late, have fun, get wild, drink whisky, and drive fast on empty streets with nothing in mind except falling in love and not getting arrested... Res ipsa loquitur. Let the good times roll."
- Hunter S Thompson.

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Re: HBWR Extraction plans [Re: Matthew311oh]
    #8219521 -

you wont have pulled any alks if u didnt remove the lemon juice (ur evaporating all of it back onto the seds right?), its fine it shouldnt do any harm

mostly, alcohol is unnessecary to extract lysergamides, because the lysergamides are already readily soluble in water, but i just reread ur post and im pretty sure ur not gonna take 160 hbwr at once :rofl: so i recommend using some 99% ipa for the final extraction, then evaporate it off you want like, a tar for gelcapping, or use lower proof ethanol and make a tincture, which is the method youre doing i take?


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And they wandered off.. nine ways till bedfast.
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"And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!"  -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life
"In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move."  -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"
"If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna

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Re: HBWR Extraction plans [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
    #8219556 -

I was going to use 190 proof everclear for the polar solvent. I've read that alcohol helps with the absorption rates. Once I pour off the alcohol and discard the seed pulp, I was going to evap the everclear down and add lemon juice to that and a small amount of mint oil. I thought that should ensure the alkaloids remain in salt form (hopefully as LSH, I've read this is unlikely though) and this should also lower the proof. I was going to keep it as a tincture. Think this isn't the way to go? I felt like a tincture would be an easier method for dosing see as I don't have a scale that can weigh mg.


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"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
- Hunter S. Thomspon.

"Maybe there is no Heaven. Or maybe this is all pure gibberish — a product of the demented imagination of a lazy drunken hillbilly with a heart full of hate who has found a way to live out where the real winds blow — to sleep late, have fun, get wild, drink whisky, and drive fast on empty streets with nothing in mind except falling in love and not getting arrested... Res ipsa loquitur. Let the good times roll."
- Hunter S Thompson.

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Re: HBWR Extraction plans [Re: Matthew311oh]
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Finished evaporating down the everclear, added some mint oil and lemon juice. Aprox 1oz of tincture from 160 HBWR seeds. I'll be dosing at about 3:30 am tomorrow morning. T- 20:46. YEY I'm fasting too


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"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
- Hunter S. Thomspon.

"Maybe there is no Heaven. Or maybe this is all pure gibberish — a product of the demented imagination of a lazy drunken hillbilly with a heart full of hate who has found a way to live out where the real winds blow — to sleep late, have fun, get wild, drink whisky, and drive fast on empty streets with nothing in mind except falling in love and not getting arrested... Res ipsa loquitur. Let the good times roll."
- Hunter S Thompson.

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Re: HBWR Extraction plans [Re: Matthew311oh]
    #8223457 -

just make sure not to take too much at once now :wink:


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And they wandered off.. nine ways till bedfast.
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"And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!"  -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life
"In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move."  -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"
"If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna

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Re: HBWR Extraction plans [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
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I'm not sure of the potency, I ran into a few problems. Like evaporating the everclear took 6 hours. I put it next to a dehydrator, I used a thermometer to make sure the air wasn't too hot, only 85*F so I'm not sure if that degraded anything or not. Also, Like an idiot I feel asleep why the everclear was extracting in the seed pulp. I woke up about a half hour later and didn't really look at the clock and I thought it had been 2 1/2 hours (I dont know why!?!?) But I poured it off and discarded the seed mush before I realized that it had only been a half hour. The ever clear was BRIGHT yellow though. I think thats supposed to be a good indication but I have no clue.


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"The Edge... there is no honest way to explain it because the only people who really know where it is are the ones who have gone over."
- Hunter S. Thomspon.

"Maybe there is no Heaven. Or maybe this is all pure gibberish — a product of the demented imagination of a lazy drunken hillbilly with a heart full of hate who has found a way to live out where the real winds blow — to sleep late, have fun, get wild, drink whisky, and drive fast on empty streets with nothing in mind except falling in love and not getting arrested... Res ipsa loquitur. Let the good times roll."
- Hunter S Thompson.

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Re: HBWR Extraction plans [Re: Matthew311oh]
    #8225295 -

you probably lost some, but itll be effective, ive heard of a cold water extract under 30 mins can be pretty effective


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And they wandered off.. nine ways till bedfast.
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"And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!"  -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life
"In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move."  -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"
"If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna

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Re: HBWR Extraction plans [Re: Zinglons Acolyte]
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How'd this turn out?

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Re: HBWR Extraction plans [Re: theratdude64]
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he hasnt been on in over two months, i bet he took too much and blew his mind lol


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And they wandered off.. nine ways till bedfast.
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"And lets pray that there's intelligent life somewhere up in space 'cause theres bugger-all down here on earth!"  -Monty Python's "The Universe Song" from The Meaning of Life
"In the beginning, the universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and has been widely considered as a bad move."  -Douglas Adams "The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy"
"If the words 'life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness' don't include the right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on." -Terence McKenna

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