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fireworks_god
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Re: Gorillas should not be kept in cages for public viewing

[Re: Icelander]
#8105717 - 03/05/08 11:15 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Great point. :thumbup:

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Loving every breath of you
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MushmanTheManic
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Re: Gorillas should not be kept in cages for public viewing

[Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8105873 - 03/05/08 12:10 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

OrgoneConclusion said:

On the one hand, this sounds noble, but on the other hand we give the great apes more value because of their similarity to us.

Just another example of egocentricity.

Huh?

The people who advocate that the Great Apes deserve rights do so on the basis that they're self-conscious beings and thus capable of experiencing suffering. (Personhood theory of Rights) If humans beings deserve rights then it is not much of a stretch to think that Great Apes deserve some rights too. What does the Personhood Theory of Rights have to do with egocentricity?

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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Gorillas should not be kept in cages for public viewing

[Re: MushmanTheManic]
#8106037 - 03/05/08 12:49 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I have previously covered this in great depth.

Morality = proximity.

Proximity may equal geographic or genetic or emotional proximity.

Neighbor gets murdered = big deal.
Someone gets murdered a thousand miles away = no big deal.

Bomb goes off at local mall = big deal.
Bomb goes off in Iraq = no big deal (if you are a westerner)

Spouse, child, sibling gets murderded = big deal
Second cousin twice removed gets murdered = no big deal.

Dolphin gets killed = big deal.
Shark gets killed = no big deal.

One million dead in Iraq. :yawn:

:yawn:

Heath Ledger dead. :whoa:

:whoa:

Summation: Hurting those close to me or like me = immoral.

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Icelander
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Re: Gorillas should not be kept in cages for public viewing

[Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8106167 - 03/05/08 01:35 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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MushmanTheManic
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Re: Gorillas should not be kept in cages for public viewing

[Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8106266 - 03/05/08 02:03 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

That system of ethics sucks donkey balls.

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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Gorillas should not be kept in cages for public viewing

[Re: MushmanTheManic]
#8106306 - 03/05/08 02:13 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

It is exactly the way the world works - and I am sure that is your system as well.

And please do not bring your private sex life into the discussion. :nono:

:nono:

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MushmanTheManic
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Re: Gorillas should not be kept in cages for public viewing

[Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8106352 - 03/05/08 02:23 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

It is exactly the way the world works - and I am sure that is your system as well.

(I am pretty much a Rawlsian... so that is not my system of ethics.)

Do you have any evidence for this claim or is it just based on your observations and speculation?

In any case, you're conflating prescriptive ethics with descriptive ethics.

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Re: Gorillas should not be kept in cages for public viewing

[Re: MushmanTheManic]
#8106378 - 03/05/08 02:29 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I just jizzed all over my computer screen.

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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”

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MushmanTheManic
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Re: Gorillas should not be kept in cages for public viewing

[Re: Lion]
#8106392 - 03/05/08 02:32 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I'm glad to hear that.

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Icelander
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Re: Gorillas should not be kept in cages for public viewing

[Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#8106701 - 03/05/08 03:50 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

OrgoneConclusion said:

It is exactly the way the world works - and I am sure that is your system as well.

And please do not bring your private sex life into the discussion.

:thumbup:

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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Quarryman
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Re: Gorillas should not be kept in cages for public viewing

[Re: MushmanTheManic]
#8106849 - 03/05/08 04:27 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

If I told you right now that your mom died, would you feel just as bad as if it was somebody you didn't know?

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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Gorillas should not be kept in cages for public viewing

[Re: Quarryman]
#8106981 - 03/05/08 04:51 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Mama?

:confused:

:cryariver:

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Icelander
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Re: Gorillas should not be kept in cages for public viewing

[Re: Quarryman]
#8107031 - 03/05/08 05:01 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Quarryman said:

If I told you right now that your mom died, would you feel just as bad as if it was somebody you didn't know?

Better not ask the Icelander that one.

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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC

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OrgoneConclusion
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Re: Gorillas should not be kept in cages for public viewing

[Re: Icelander]
#8107065 - 03/05/08 05:08 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Shmoopy says that there is nothing more irritating than a person who speaks of themselves in the third person. :mad2:

:mad2:

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MushmanTheManic
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Re: Gorillas should not be kept in cages for public viewing

[Re: Quarryman]
#8107093 - 03/05/08 05:14 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Quarryman said:

If I told you right now that your mom died, would you feel just as bad as if it was somebody you didn't know?

How is this relevant to ethics and morality?

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Re: Gorillas should not be kept in cages for public viewing

[Re: MushmanTheManic]
#8107780 - 03/05/08 07:32 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

"In any case, you're conflating prescriptive ethics with descriptive ethics. "

Yes they are, but I'm not sure they knew what you meant.

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