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Subbs or foes?
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Twisted





prints seem pretty black to me... But i dont know ive seen some semi dark foe prints before... on the bigger ones i found im going to print them different times to see how faded the color is and stuff







Keep in mind im printing the bigger ones... The prints looked pretty dark to me but i dunno it looks a little off i think :\

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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: implee]
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This is the print photo im using as reference...  The Dark left sided middle foe print is what has me wondering about mine :frown: So im going to print the bigger ones i found at different times to see if they are pretty solid black or not.

Photo by Gumby

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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: implee]
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Those gills look black. I'm sure they're Panaeolus of some sort, not Panaeolina foenesecii.


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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: scout24]
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i couldn't find any other pans on this key http://www.svims.ca/council/Panaeo.htm only subbs and foes...

Thanks for you input :laugh:

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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: implee]
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They look kinda funky compared to all the subbs ive seen. The colors are a little catching. You found them in a lawn or some grassway i presume?

Im only saying this cuz ive mistaken some dark spored psathyrella for subbs before.

But those are definitely subbs. in this case! looks like the subbalteatus season has begun!


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http://www.shroomery.org/9608/Subbedhunter420s-Guide-to-Hunting-and-Identifying-Panaeolus-subbalteatus

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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
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No not grass i found them directly on cow poop thats why i was so shocked.. They are the same ones from the "Infesting my poop" thread.


Plus i cant match IDs with any other pans other than subbs or foes.. But People say they are pans...

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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: implee]
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look like subbs to me... the twisty stem especially, and foes don't get as big as subbs. They look on the large side to me.

Though, I've never heard of them fruiting from cow dung... it's absolutely possible since I've seen them in mulch alongside the cubes I found.

I also see a faint faint bluing on the base of the twisty stem one. That's about as blue as I tend to find them, with a few exceptions. It's right on the very edge of the base where it was picked... or it could be a shadow.


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Edited by PinheadX (03/03/08 02:17 PM)

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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: implee]
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You are right, Panaeolus subbalteatus is the only thing on the key that matches these.

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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
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I remember, a while back, someone posting a huge subb haul from cow patties in Florida.  Must be a southern thang.  Anyway, nice finds Implee.:smile2:


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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: implee]
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I would say that those are certainly Panaeolus subbalteatus.

They grow from cow and horse dung in the southeastern United States.

In the southeast, if you find subbalteatus in lawns it is most often because there is dung somewhere in the grass. At least that is how it happens in Florida. I have seen photographs of peoples lawn-subbs in Texas before, and a part of me questions if they are a different species.

The subbs that I have found growing from cow dung in Florida macroscopically look, different then the other photographs I have seen.
The Florida ones are typically smaller in stature.
And the darker band around the margin is often barely even present.
Twice I found subbalteatus in Florida lawns, they were larger in stature, some of them bluing at the base of the stipe, and a trademark darker colored band circling the margin.

The subbs I have found in Georgia and Florida growing from horse dung match up good enough.

But yours seem unmistakable to me.

I think that there might be at least 4 different known species of Panaeolina, some macroscopically identical to foenisecii, and none grow from dung.

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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: GGreatOne234]
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Thanks for all the replies homies... I guess ill see if they are active if i get a few more...

They are on the majority of the patties that are growing mushrooms... And ive seen them before in the past i just assumed subbs didnt grow on cow poop because everyone says its not so common..

But if they are active subbs then i guess texas is badass.. Last year i found a horse field that produced a ton of Cubes this year i might have found a field that produces tons of subbs... (knock on wood) Now i just need to find copes now :laugh:

They look totally different than other subbs though :/ i wish i had a microscope or something to compare them :O

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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: implee]
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I found some of these in a pasture a few weeks ago..I have found no other mushrooms since...I threw them out like a dumb ass :frown:


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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: Aquilus]
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Lol well Aguilus they arent really potent i hear so dont beat yourself too much

Your from texas too? Be sure to post pictures of your finds its been raining out :laugh:

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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: implee]
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I think I may go hunting in a bit..doubt I'll find anything..but I will let ya know if I do


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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: Aquilus]
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good luck :laugh: i might go fence line walking tomorrow or the next day

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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: implee]
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oh... my mom's neighbors just got cows...

WOOT!


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If you want to find psilocybin in species that are not yet known to be psychoactive, you should do chemical tests. That way you won't get sick and die all the time.
- Alan Rockefeller

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: PinheadX]
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Fuc kyeah :laugh:

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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: implee]
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they do look kind of funny but they have many of the right characteristics of subbs. I have never found them growing from poo though either.. the prints look black to me i would say you got em!!!:thumbup:

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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: fliped]
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Ill report back tonight if they are active with how many i got :laugh:

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Re: Subbs or foes? [Re: implee]
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HAVE FUN!!!!!

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