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Offlinechemkid
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Amanita Muscaria Vs. P. Cubensis
    #804360 - 08/08/02 11:38 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I looked in the trip reports and couldn't really find anything on the amanitas. Has anyone done BOTH cubies and amintas? I have done cubies several times but never the amanitas. I have a buddy who says he has tried amanitas but they just made him sick. Are these things worth a damn or not? How would you compare the trip to cubies.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Vs. P. Cubensis [Re: chemkid]
    #804390 - 08/08/02 11:52 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Personally i have never had a fun time with Amanita's...feels too much like im being poisoned But im sure there are some people around here who will tell you differently...guess it all depends, alot on how you prep the shroom and yourself before you ingest it......


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Vs. P. Cubensis [Re: chemkid]
    #804497 - 08/08/02 12:36 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Amanitas just make me feel tired and lethargic, that's it. I see them all over the place in the fall and I don't even bother to pick them, they suck.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Vs. P. Cubensis [Re: chemkid]
    #805270 - 08/08/02 06:59 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Amanita muscaria are the poor man's trip compared to any psilocybe.

Don't take our word for it, go eat some

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Re: Amanita Muscaria Vs. P. Cubensis [Re: chemkid]
    #805281 - 08/08/02 07:03 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

i'd say stick with cubes. psychonaut made a nice comparision: amanitas are a poor man's trip compared to cubes. too harsh of a thing. cubes trip are very abstract but amanitas trips are way more abstract, delirium like of a thing and you sure will be sick. you're likely to fall asleep after the delirium and you won't be able to remember too much about the trip, besides some colorful (lots of red) space trippin abstract visuals. cubes are a much better teacher in my opinion...


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Vs. P. Cubensis [Re: chemkid]
    #805892 - 08/08/02 11:22 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I've tried Amanitas once... Wasn't nearly as trip-like as P. Cubensis. Also, the species I tried was the Yellow Fly Agaric, and it made me feel very nauseous for most of the time. I've heard that drying the mushroom using heat before consumption can aid in nausea relief, but haven't got a chance to try it.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Vs. P. Cubensis [Re: chemkid]
    #806299 - 08/09/02 07:03 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

Amanita Trip Reports

I have never done them and have only read a few reports where the tripper said it was worthwhile. They look cool though.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Vs. P. Cubensis [Re: WhiskeyClone]
    #806447 - 08/09/02 08:15 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

I actually has a few very nice Amanita experiences. Iv done both Amanita and cubes, they cant be comaired. The trips arent alike at all, Amanitas put me to sleep unless a take some caffiene pills first while cubes are...well cubes.

If you dont want to feel poisoned by Amanitas bake them first, 25 mins at medium. Dont bake them at high unless you like the smell of burning Amanitas(sick!).

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Re: Amanita Muscaria Vs. P. Cubensis [Re: Fd3000]
    #806503 - 08/09/02 08:54 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

According to jonathan Ott and R. Gordon Wasson, baking kills the chemicals, yet I have smoked pot dipped in the juices of amanita but the juices were not obtained by cooking but by pulverizing the juices out of the mushrooms. Cooking kills the active ingredients.

They have to be eaten dried like the Siberians do. Except in the Siberian culture the women chew the shrooms and then the men swallow the pulp after it has beedn well chewed since the women are not allowed ot partake of the sacredment.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria Vs. P. Cubensis [Re: mjshroomer]
    #806789 - 08/09/02 11:03 AM (14 years, 8 months ago)

At your own risk---- if you view them as beings--- amanitas are friendlier to certain people. in my 4-5 experiences with amanita i only pushed the dosage high once and that was with dire results. all the other times it made me feel extremly heavy and sleepy--i slept literally like a log and woke up with the stength of ten men--i was able to walk as if i was it 1st gear--pure power. the time i upped the dosage for the resurrection and near death experience i firstly almost froze my ass off--next i vomitted with extreme force it came out like i was breathing fire---then i shivered for the next half hour to 45 minutes-----just completely spaced out like "o you did it now". not pleasant at all and i decided from that point that i'd stay with the blue pill(psil.cub) rather than the red. Go at your own risk and read up about it Sunn


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Vs. P. Cubensis [Re: mjshroomer]
    #807259 - 08/09/02 02:43 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

"According to jonathan Ott and R. Gordon Wasson, baking kills the chemicals, yet I have smoked pot dipped in the juices of amanita but the juices were not obtained by cooking but by pulverizing the juices out of the mushrooms. Cooking kills the active ingredients.

They have to be eaten dried like the Siberians do. Except in the Siberian culture the women chew the shrooms and then the men swallow the pulp after it has beedn well chewed since the women are not allowed ot partake of the sacredment."

Cooking kills the poisonous ingredient! The good chemical survives while the poison is destroyed, making the trip MUCH more enjoyable!

Iv done this namy times, all went fine
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Re: Amanita Muscaria Vs. P. Cubensis [Re: chemkid]
    #807720 - 08/09/02 07:34 PM (14 years, 8 months ago)

For information purposes only. FD3000 is completely correct. The preparation of Amanitas requires heat to lessen the posion in it. The active ingredient survives very well.

I have used amanitas and cubes (duh!) both seperately and together. Each has it's good points but they are completely different from each other. Not opposites per se, but different.

I will assume significant experience with cubys and will limit my discussion to the proper preparation of amanitas and the type or flavor of the experience of them.

First, preparation. As stated previously, amanitas require heat, first to limit the negative active ingredient, ibotenic acid and further, to unlock the positive active ingredient, muscimol. As heat is applied, the ibotenic acid is oxidized into muscimol. It is the acid that accounts for much of the stomach discomfort involved with amanitas. I simply, dry fresh amanitas on a low setting in the oven, after which I grind them in the coffee grinder (no, I don't use it for my coffee), put the resulting poweder into a pot with boiling water, turn off the water, and let the mess steep into a tea. I filter off the liquid portion and throw the rest out.

The nature of the effect of the amanita depends quite a bit on the preparation. If you follow the directions above you will significantly reduce both, nausea and the drunk feeling, the drunken-ness is more physical than mental. Meaning, it feels like you are drunk because of the reduction of motor skills. The journey comes on quickly and can produce a little anxiety the first time, as I am sure some have had with strong cubes. I don't sweat profuesly, as others most definitely do, but I will get to that later, just bear in mind that you probably will, dress accordingly. The flavor of the experience is not in the visuals but in the feeling of letting go. It is this flavor that I seek when I use the amanita.

I posted an answer to a question some 6 months ago. At first some thought I was kidding, I wasn't. I don't suggest that you follow what I do. Hell, I don't recommend ANYONE do what I do; it's dangerous.

Oh, I would start with 5 medium size caps or about 5-8 dry grams.

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Re: Amanita Muscaria Vs. P. Cubensis [Re: chemkid]
    #5864883 - 07/16/06 12:06 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Amanita vs Cubensis = boring vs exciting.

I've done both and amanitas just don't come close.

Amanitas make you feel drunk and confused. They give limited visual hallucinations but nothing that makes the overall experience worth it.

Cubensis have always been an intense body and mind experienece with great visuals plus spiritual enlightenment.

If I had to copare the two numberwise I'd say amanitas are a 3 and cubensis are a 10.


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Re: Amanita Muscaria Vs. P. Cubensis [Re: Daybreak]
    #5865011 - 07/16/06 12:46 PM (10 years, 9 months ago)

Amanita + Cubensis = amazing spiritual adventure (with proper preparation, set and setting)


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