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Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)?
    #4727340 - 09/28/05 10:22 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

I found  this  web page which sells dried amanita now my question is:
If I eat it unprepared  just as I get it when I order it (in a taco for example) if I'll die from intoxication?
Someone told me that it is poisonous to eat an "unprepared" amanita?
Is this true?If so how do you "prepare" it to make it so that I'll be able to have hallucination's without it being poisonous?
The person who told me it was poisonous unprepared gave me a link which said that if you were to dry it in the oven that it would no longer be toxic?
Can't I just dry it on newspaper when I find one in the wild some day?
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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: Mr_Psilocin]
    #4727356 - 09/28/05 10:25 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

whoa you can order it and just eat it like that to trip?  :eek:

isnt that illegal??


Edited by novorua (09/28/05 10:25 PM)


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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: novorua]
    #4727476 - 09/28/05 10:43 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

No it's not illegal the amanita does not contain Psilocin the high comes from differnt toxins found in the mushroom but I don't know if you can eat it just like that that's why I'm asking.


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"A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly fifteen hundred pounds of marijuana within about 15 minutes to induce a lethal response... In strict medical terms, marijuana is far safer than many of the foods we commonly consume. For example, eating ten raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death."

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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: Mr_Psilocin]
    #4727522 - 09/28/05 10:51 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

www.erowid.org Read up!

Edible = Yes

Results are quite a bit different than regular mushrooms. The Amanita is the old world mushroom, often thought of as the referance soma. I haven't tried it so I can't give you my take on the effects, but it sounds like something completely different in smaller doses. Also this mushroom likes to be cooked throughly.
Don't expect regular effects, but it could be worth it...YMMV


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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: RussianCelery]
    #4727912 - 09/28/05 11:53 PM (12 years, 21 days ago)

It's not toxic in that it will kill you if you eat it raw. It is toxic in that it might make you feel rather sick if you eat it raw.

Amanita Muscaria contains Ibotenic acid and muscimol. Muscimol is the desired psychoactive substance and ibotenic acid decarboxilates into muscimol when cooked or by passing through your body. This is why you can drink your own piss after an amanita trip and trip just as hard from the urine. Siberia tribesmen use to consume it in this way. The wealthy members of the tribe would consume the mushroom and when they went to piss, the less privilaged people would wait to capture their urine. After drinking it they would become just as intoxicated as the people who ate the mushroom.

I suggest just toasting the mushrooms in the oven.

All of this info comes from research alone. I have not yet tried the amanita experience.


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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #4728699 - 09/29/05 01:35 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

Its not worth the money, or the time spent finding the lowest price. AManita is a deleriant sedative with some odd visuals.
For most shroomers they take it and think that it just got them kinda drunk. Forget the amanita, live out the untainted life of hallucinogens. This shit is hardly definable, and its the least interesting substance ive ever tried. Even common morning glory seeds are far more interesting.
Lastly, id suggest eating a little and smokeing it too with some marijuana. It reminds me of opium. so if you dont want it for the sake of it being like the common hallucinogen, its worth while. Ive had some wild dreams and good times with friends whilst on small doses. Large ones make me and me friends cringe. Not worth the time for us when we could be takeing anything else,----anything. I dont do many drugs anymore, but amanita was the biggest waist of time, (we got the good stuff too). Anything but amanita. It feels like poison, and is one, to some extent.


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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: stemmer]
    #4728717 - 09/29/05 01:37 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

Soma= NOT AMANITA


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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: stemmer]
    #4728833 - 09/29/05 01:50 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

dude that is messed up to say that about the great amanita ther rock specially if you eat some dry set some as tea while thats brewing smoke a bowl of wormwood pot and amanita then drink tea and your set all day and night cool visuals sensyaisa you can taste words feel sights. hmm you can feel like you flying if you meditate you can go places and if your with people you have mind meld and can like super bond and know what each other are thinking without speaking and the feeling is like really good like a high or stonned i say mix africain and washington ever trip differs and each type has differet effect depending on location and season siberian are alot more body load thats why i go with washington and african and well if you want to go insane and have death and rebirth and see inside your mind take panther caps but i didnt tell you to i cause to do go crazy. its some powerful shit i dont recomend anyone take panther unless they are insane or very sane to that point that they wont lose it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!amanita rule and o yeah formosa yellow kind are very different


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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: thedudenj]
    #4728949 - 09/29/05 02:02 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

Thats what makes in differnt. Not like the classical hallucinogen. SALVIA isnt a typical halluc. and it gives you what you were looking for anyways. Im just pointing out the difference. I can, but most people dont really trip off of it. They just get deleriouse and stupid, unlike a small opiat-like dose of amanita which I have shown to people who favor that, (people who eat 10 grams dried).


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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: stemmer]
    #4728968 - 09/29/05 02:04 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

Quote:

stemmer said:
Soma= NOT AMANITA




It's a very old drug either way. And supposedly the ones on entho sites and so on are much different from the real siberian ones. *shrug*. I'm quite sure I'll try it, simply because it's different. I agree that it's not right to do if you don't know what you're getting into. 5% of people seem to like it. A small amount of the reports are incredibly unique and quite fascinating.


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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: stemmer]
    #4728990 - 09/29/05 02:06 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

AManitas can undoubtably fascilitate a massive and insane ego-dissolving trip. Its just nothing like any other drug, and a deleriant also. Im not saying it cant give fat visuals and give your friends an inspired capacity to speak. Its just a fucked -up drug. really


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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: stemmer]
    #4729048 - 09/29/05 02:14 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

I ordered A+ siberians, and they were far more intense than I expected. They are not normal hallucinogens. I think they are valuable, but the average shroomer whould think that they tasted and felt like horse-shit. I dont. But its for certain people and most interesting if you eat (alot).
I was saying that for you average person, smokeing it and eating small amounts is ideal as the critical thresh-hold between that and something else far more intense, is slim. As are most deleriants. Imagine if one of john C lilly's high school buddies did ketamine at 250 mil cause he said so. They would feel poisoned.
All in all, I was saying that it is a deleriant


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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: Mr_Psilocin]
    #4729095 - 09/29/05 02:24 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

It helps the experience to cook them and cause the chemical reaction which makes the muscimol. The ibotenic acid is somewhat toxic. I'm not sure if it's psychoactive, but if it was I imagine the effects would be unpleasant.

Amanitas are on my to-do list, but only because I strive to become a connossieur. I realize I'd be better off just hunting down a few droppers of LSD-25


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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: Konnrade]
    #4729432 - 09/29/05 03:33 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

So can I dry them when I find some? Or do I HAVE TO do the oven process?
Also I've read that they make you vomit and feel really bad befor you actually start tripping..Is this correct?


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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: Mr_Psilocin]
    #4729512 - 09/29/05 04:02 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

I haven't done them so I can't attest to effects, I just know what I've researched... and a nerdy gentleman such as myself does enjoy his research.

I imagine that if you dried them by applying heat you could kill two birds with one stone though... apply enough heat to break down the ibotenic acid, yet keep it low enough to where you're not baking the shrooms (if you do they tend to ooze out the juices, which are rich in active constituents you should try to conserve).

As for the effects, like I said, I haven't used the amanitas. However with any psychedellic effects (including side effects) can vary widely between individuals and in the case of ethnobotanicals also from specimen to specimen. The best way to find out is just to experience it, of course that's only true if you've researched it enough to be doing so in a somewhat educated fashion. And I assume you've allready done some research in order to develop an interest.

Amanitas are commonly regarded as less "recreational" in nature, as they are less fun than many other substances, but as far as I know they can be very enlightening. Expect amanitas to be for your edification if you use them, rather than to have something to do on a weekend  :tongue:


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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: Konnrade]
    #4729609 - 09/29/05 04:21 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

The effects are trippy to some sickening and drunken in others, all useing the same variety. They are indeed interesting, dont hold of cause they are deleriants, cause they arent even typical deleriants.
Dry them, fuck the bakeing process. It sounds good but is going to ruin them more than is helps you. Ibotenic acid metabolizes into the desired substances(muscimal). so so dont burn it off. The best amanitas are fresh unbaked amanitas. Youll get more fucked up than you could ever imagine for about 6 hour if you take a fatty dose. Its a fact. If your shrooms are super dry, try them first, you couldnt possibly know how inactive your variety is.


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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: Mr_Psilocin]
    #4730220 - 09/29/05 09:49 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

'Tis the season, for the psychadelic shaman

I have tried some (oven baked) that I harvested in NC, I would do it again.


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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: namaste]
    #4730422 - 09/29/05 10:43 AM (12 years, 21 days ago)

Amanita muscaria is the mushroom Alice ate when she went to wonderland

there are TONS of Amanita muscaria var. guessowii that grow around my cottage
http://pluto.njcc.com/~ret/amanita/species/muscgues.html

haven't tried any but my dad and i go hunting for them
they are everywhere in our woods
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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: JackTackle]
    #4734399 - 09/30/05 01:37 AM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Stemmer, I have not read one intelligent post by you. Its always rambling nonsense.

Don't tell people not to heat it, it is an effective way of reducing most of the undesirable effects. Would you like to set people up to have a miserable experience? Heating will not destroy muscimol. That is why it is possible to smoke Amanita Muscaria mushrooms.

You also said that Amanita Muscaria mushrooms were not soma. How do you know? Did you write the Vedas? It is uncertain as to what soma is.

Not only do you not know what you are talking about, you are also very hypocritical. In a span of a few posts, you go from saying that Amanitas are the biggest "waist" of time to saying that they are very valuable. In the same post, you state that it is the least interesting substance you have ever tried but then in a few posts later you say that Amanitas can "facilitate a massive ego dissolving trip". If thats not interesting, I don't know what is.

Sorry for the outburst everyone, I'm just sick of reading ones nonsensical posts.

Concerning the original post, I suggest heating it in the oven for about 45 mins on about 160 degrees. At this point they should be cracker dry. Use a coffee grinder to grind it up into a fine powder. Take the powder and add your desired amount of water. Simmer for about 30 mins. Drink!

I found it to be a quite enjoyable and euphoric experience. Weird pixelated visuals and the inability to stop smiling. It also felt like I was constantly falling. I experienced no nausea whatsoever on a dose of 15g.

I strongly suggest you try them. If you go the route of trying to find your own make sure you post and get the mushroom properly identified before you eat it. The Amanita Muscaria mushroom is not poisonous but many members of the Amanita family are quite deadly.


Edited by johnjohnandjamal (09/30/05 01:39 AM)


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Re: Washington State Amanita Muscaria Caps (Grade A)? [Re: johnjohnandjamal]
    #4734445 - 09/30/05 01:48 AM (12 years, 20 days ago)

Im just a purist.........OK guy.
I didnt ask people to take my word for it im just suggesting that people should dry them not cook them. extrapulate info, dont slam it. Cooking often means overdrying + the cooking. Get over it kid, if you want to write a trip report by premising it with slander, then have fun.


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