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fuck you democrats
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i cant believe they are voting for hillary clinton. first off she is a pandering bitch who wont stand up to the neocons. second, she is so fucking hated, she is unelectable. the right wing talk show hosts have been attacking her for almost 16 years straight. third, more people will vote for a man than a woman.

with edwards or obama we would actually have a legitimate chance this time around. the republicans dont have a winning candidate their party will get behind. Romney is a mormon from Massachusetts that turns off crazy right wing evangelicals and his taxes turn off fiscal conservatives. Guiliani is a bust, he is crazy, a fear monger and also married his cousin. no way middle america votes a catholic italian in (especially republicans because of their bias). Mccain is just old and nutty, kind of like bob dole was when we beat him. Huckabee is probably the scariest religious fucking nutball on their side. He would be the worst possible candidate. However I think most inteligent fiscal conservatives and moderates dont want a nut of epic proportions, like huckabee in the white house. Paul is the only really great republican but the neocons and fox news have brainwashed the repoops to think we need to be an angry violent empire with fascist laws. so ron paul wont get a chance to be the greatest president.

however any of these horrible republicans can beat hillary. i believe the republicans even want to go against her. fox news supports her over obama... they know she cant win. she isnt likable, isnt a good speaker and has the last name clinton (people want change). its all these stupid fucking women in our party who vote with their vaginas. they ask women in exit polls and they just say its because she is a woman. fuck! we better not nominate this bitch.
obama/ edwards in 08

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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: KingOftheThing]
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i doubt obama would even stand a chance at winning. you forget a great portion of america still isn't as open minded as the rest of us.

heaven forbid we have a black man running our country! :kkk:

and omg he's a muslim in disguise!!

:rolleyes:  <--- this means i'm being sarcastic. i'm not racist, and i don't think he is muslim (not that it matters).


unfortunately i don't think he or ron paul stand a chance.

i'm a libertarian though so i'd naturally vote ron paul.

and omg ron paul is a racist!! :rolleyes:

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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: KingOftheThing]
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I love it when you post in PAL.


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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: usg543]
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I'm kinda hoping Hillary will win. Since we already know theres some rigging going on for her, it's a safe bet.

Any mouth breather who wanted Obama to win might have a chance at redemption by voting for Paul in the big enchilada election, after he fails at being a GOP in the primaries and runs as independent.

So long as Balack Al'bama doesn't become her running partner.


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Edited by Minstrel (01/20/08 05:38 PM)

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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: afoaf]
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I am glad you guys said it, that is why I posted early on that it will be the GOP in 08. The rivalry is going to hurt the overal turnout on the Democrat side. Huckabee really surprised me, I thought he would have been gone instantly but if the evangelicals support him he is really close on delegates. Many would vote for Romney if he wasn't mormon....it is going to be interesting. If Thompson would have dropped out before SC a really think Huckabee would have gotten Thompsons evengelical vote and would have won, so I really wouldn't count him out. Out of both Parties, McCain realy is the only person qualified to run the military, so that is an upside. Rudy seems like a decent dem/Rep compromise, he is pro choice. I would figure the liberals would have realized they blew it by fighting so much between themselves. Seems like just taking second best would be smarter then you don't lose as much ground...but I think he will get NY and nothing else. we shall see. I listened to Huckabees speech last night and he really is a nice, caring and compassionate individual so maybe he could make the US a better place. The whole time Iraq was considered a failure everyone talked how stupid GWB is but he smoked his opposition and freed a nation. Girls can actually have educations now in Iraq and they built 200+ schools as well, so I think that now the reports are saying Iraq is actually a success he will probably be written about 20 yrs from now as one of the greatest Presidents of all time. Sounds silly but wait and see.


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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: Minstrel]
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Oh, whoops, OP is an Obamaman.

Voting is a personal independent thing. You shouldn't discount a candidate just because you feel he has no chance. With an attitude like that, he will indeed have no chance.

To do anything other than that is collectivism. Most Americans seems to love collectivism with your flavor, and that's why Paul doesn't have a chance.


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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: KingOftheThing]
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What do you mean she is less electable then Edwards or Obama? She is kicking their butt in total votes so far. Obama won Iowa by not much. Hillary won Nevada, NH, and MI. Edwards has been trailing a distant 3rd all along.

So far she is the most electable one they have. She is the favorite of the party's super delegates as well and they are the ones that ultimately elect their parties nominee.

I agree with you in that the democrats and the GOP can both Fuck off!!! This unamerican, corrupt two party system charade is a joke.


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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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what the hell are you basing your negative view of Hillary Clinton on!? she's a, "pandering bitch?", and Obama is such a nice gentleman.:rolleyes:
The right wing talk show hosts attack all fucking liberals!

Do you actually have any evidence to back up Obama standing a better chance than Clinton?

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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: art]
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You meant to reply to KingoThing right?


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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
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KingoftheThing, despite your post being somewhat contradictory I agree with you, I think.

Hillary Clinton IS venomously hated by Republicans... who *still* hate Bill Clinton. As many racists as we have in America we have an awful lot of sexist, too. And the threat of Bill as a Supreme Court Justice is rather frightening as well.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/01/03/supreme-court-justice-bill-clinton/

A married couple having *so* much influence over our country seems kind of 'Banana Republic' even to me.

And she's far less "progressive" than the other two top running Democrats...so the chance to make 'real change' might be lost as well. I was thinking for awhile that she'd get elected, Obama as Vice then after 8years he'd have his chance with loads more experience ...but by that time the incredible wave of opportunity that Bush has created for the Dems may be gone.

I disagree that she's a bad speaker. Are you kidding?
That bitch shines like the sun, she's a well-polished actress if I ever saw one! Never ruffled...except when she needs to be(sobsob!)
Which I thought was maudlin but apparently helped her win votes.


Obama on the other hand...
"Ummmm"..."ummmmm"..."ummmm" ever other sentence! Christ!
...would someone talk to him about that?


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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: blackegg]
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yeah I was talking to kingofThing

I don't think Obama is really that much more progressive than Hillary. They are both pretty moderate. I fail to see any REAL reason why Hillary is so much worse than any of the other candidates.

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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: art]
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Kott doesn't like women. That's the bottom line.

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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: art]
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since she is leveraging her time as wife in the whitehouse as political
experience let's recall what wonderful things the clintons did while in
office the first time...

the president perjured himself...was disbared and impeached
weapons technology was sold to china for political favors
NAFTA
used Americorp for political purposes
slept on al qaeda

not being as bad as bush doesn't make him good.

if these are Hillary's credentials...I do.not.want.

plus...the democrats WILL fuck this up and lose again, even
if it has to be at the hands of a few rigged voting machines.


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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: afoaf]
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'Clinton Baggage'...
as Bill Maher calls it.

Well, I'm not too well versed in the details but the whole finance reform / lobbying reform thing Obama talks about is a huge step in the right direction for politics as a whole.

Assuming this is real, that alone could bring many Republicans and Democrats together.

Gay-Marriage?

Um..that's all I could find here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Hillary_Rodham_Clinton

and here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Barack_Obama


so maybe they aren't THAT different from each other but both of them are more conservative than me so...I'll pick the more progressive even if it's only gay-marriage and finance reform.


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Edited by blackegg (01/21/08 06:12 PM)

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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: KingOftheThing]
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Only a white male Republican can become president since they are superior.


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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: Luddite]
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What about NAFTA? you have to be more specific, who had a better policy, etc.

He slept on al qaeda because he did not have much time left in office and thought it would be better to let his successor take care of that. Now we can see that that was a stupid move but come on, at the time it was a smart thing to do.

No one has yet to give any good reason to why another candidate is better. Not just why she is not that good. I don't like her either, but who else is there?

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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: art]
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Um...I just gave two.


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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: blackegg]
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sorry, your right, but you pointed out that Obama is not that much different, and I guess that is my point.

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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: art]
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they aren't that much different because neither clinton nor obama have
really put any skin in the game and committed to any policies.

how do you vote for candidates that have NO PLATFORM.

it's all nebulous double speak with zero promise or commitment.


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Re: fuck you democrats [Re: afoaf]
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What "policies" do you want to know about?

And what kind of specifics do you want?


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After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action.  If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it.  - Ernest Hemingway

If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it.  In the law courts, in business, in government.  There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent.    -Cormac MacCarthy

He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.  - Aeschylus

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