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OfflineABBAZABA
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fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!!
    #2808124 - 06/19/04 04:29 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

copied and pasted from votenader.org, here's Nader's stance on the drug war:

The drug war has failed. We spend nearly $50 billion annually on the drug war and problems related to drug abuse continue to worsen. We need to acknowledge that drug abuse is a health problem with social and economic consequences. Therefore, the solutions are public health, social services and economic development and tender supportive time with addicts in our depersonalized society. Law enforcement should be at the edges of drug control not at the center. It is time to bring some illegal drugs within the law by regulating, taxing and controlling them. Ending the drug war will dramatically reduce street crime, violence and homicides related to underground drug dealing.

albeit he has absolutely NO chance of winning the election, i'll at least be able to vote for him with a clear conscience.


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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: ABBAZABA]
    #2808403 - 06/19/04 09:21 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Voting for a candidate based on one issue is, no offense, pathetic. Nader is further to the left than even Kerry...he might end the war on drugs but I wonder if you'd have enough of a paycheck left to purchase them.


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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: ABBAZABA]
    #2808550 - 06/19/04 12:16 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Nader (a)has no chance of getting elected, (b)is an arrogant douche, (c)is too socialist for my taste, and (d)will only hurt our chances of getting Bush out of office.


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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2808611 - 06/19/04 12:51 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

e) he's a millionaire hypocrite who invests in the same corporations that he rails against.


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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2808729 - 06/19/04 02:18 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Everyone has an issue that they feel is very important. I have a feeling that the issues that you vote for or against have less impact on society than the drug war(which effects EVERYONE in the world).





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OfflineAncalagon
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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: Learyfan]
    #2808738 - 06/19/04 02:27 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Learyfan said:
Everyone has an issue that they feel is very important. I have a feeling that the issues that you vote for or against have less impact on society than the drug war(which effects EVERYONE in the world).



That feeling would be quite wrong. I vote for individual liberty and the restoration of a constitutional america. Seeing as this would include the abolition of the drug war if such ideals came to fruition, I would have to say they have a much larger impact on society.


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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2809010 - 06/19/04 05:14 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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I vote for individual liberty and the restoration of a constitutional america. Seeing as this would include the abolition of the drug war if such ideals came to fruition, I would have to say they have a much larger impact on society.




The desire to end the drug war is a sign of a politician who wants to give us individual liberty and restore a constiutional America.





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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: Learyfan]
    #2809495 - 06/19/04 09:10 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Uh, that's exactly what I said. My point is the drug war is a significant, but not enormous, piece of the larger puzzle. Another point was while Nader would do his best to end the war on drugs, just about all of his other policies are repugnant socialist garbage.


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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2809575 - 06/19/04 09:51 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I still think you should all vote Nader so Bush wins.


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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2809596 - 06/19/04 09:59 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I think the drug war is an enormous issue. The mis-use of tax dollars, the wasted lives, the mis-use of police, broken families, over crowding of prisons, etc. etc. etc.. It starts here and influences every other country on earth.



Back to Nader. You know what really scares me?

Liberals are never going to want to elect a Republican. For 2004 they're all saying that everyone needs to vote for Kerry this time. Well when do we get to vote third party again? Bush is bad, but the next Republican won't be a whole lot better.





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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: Learyfan]
    #2809618 - 06/19/04 10:07 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Learyfan said:
Bush is bad, but the next Republican won't be a whole lot better.



You don't know that. Not all Republicans are that bad. Hell, if John McCain ran in 2008, I'd vote for him.


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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: Redo]
    #2809643 - 06/19/04 10:21 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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I still think you should all vote Nader so Bush wins.



Or I could just vote for whom I feel would best serve my country as President. Namely, Michael Badnarik the Libertarian candidate.


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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: Learyfan]
    #2809663 - 06/19/04 10:27 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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I think the drug war is an enormous issue. The mis-use of tax dollars, the wasted lives, the mis-use of police, broken families, over crowding of prisons, etc. etc. etc.. It starts here and influences every other country on earth.



I agree with that, I just disagree with voting for a candidate who would do good for this country with regard to one issue and completely decimate this country and it's constitution on just about all other issues. No point in arguing this further, we both have our opinions.

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Back to Nader. You know what really scares me?

Liberals are never going to want to elect a Republican. For 2004 they're all saying that everyone needs to vote for Kerry this time. Well when do we get to vote third party again? Bush is bad, but the next Republican won't be a whole lot better.




Yeah, there's absolutely zero evidence to believe they won't be doing the "JUST VOTE DEMOCRAT THIS TIME...NEXT TIME IT WON'T BE CLOSE AND YOU CAN VOTE FOR WHO YOU WANT, WE HAVE TO GET THIS ASSHOLE _random_republican_candidate_01 OUT OF OFFICE" thing every election cycle from here on out. Vote for who you think would serve this country best whether it's Ralph Nader, Al Sharpton, or Howard Stern(write-in votes are crucial). The founding fathers would have looked in shame at the kind of logic being used to convince people to vote a certain way.


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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: Learyfan]
    #2809687 - 06/19/04 10:33 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Liberals are never going to want to elect a Republican. For 2004 they're all saying that everyone needs to vote for Kerry this time. Well when do we get to vote third party again? Bush is bad, but the next Republican won't be a whole lot better.




Strategy, man. 3rd party candidates will never have ability to be elected US president without massive grassroots movement and support in the Congress. This why I think 3rd presidential campaigns are waste of time, money, energy, and resource - all of these thing have been use elsewhere (namely, state local and congressional campaigns). Start from the bottom-up, not top-down - this is the path toward sustainable change.

ever play baseball? the key to winning is not going up to the plate and swinging for a homerun everytime - the key is getting players on base and getting a running game going.


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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: Vvellum]
    #2809702 - 06/19/04 10:38 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Strategy, man. 3rd party candidates will never have ability to be elected US president without massive grassroots movement and support in the Congress. This why I think 3rd presidential campaigns are waste of time, money, energy, and resource - all of these thing have been use elsewhere (namely, state local and congressional campaigns). Start from the bottom-up, not top-down.

ever play baseball? the key to winning is not going up to the plate and trying to hit a homerun everytime - the key is getting players on base and getting a running game going.





I thought the same exact thing when I started following the Libertarian party. It seemed like complete idiocy to delegate an enormous percentage of money to a candidate that has zero chance of winning. What I came to realize however, was that there is no better way to spread a message than via a Presidential candidate. If not for the LP running a candidate for the Presidency, CSPAN would have never spent just about an entire WEEKEND covering an obscure third-party convention. They would have never had someone from the Libertarian Party on Washington Journal. O'Reilly would not have a random Libertarian senate candidate on his show next week...he is however, having the Presidential Candidate on the show.


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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2809754 - 06/19/04 10:55 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

but what exactly does a small percentage of CSPAN airtime really amount to? Personally, I think it simply amounts to advertising; "getting the message out" is good but that's all it really is. There is no way that a 3rd party could begin to drown out the words, news coverage, politics, and message of the Democrats or Republicans enough to actually create change.

I think a greater way to attract voters/support is with real action. Imagine if a handful of 3rd party candidate were to win seats in the Senate and totally rock the shit out of Washington. Now that would certainly light-the-fuse, so to speak, and people would really begin to give these candidates their votes and financial support. And I honestly believe that only a few key positions in Congress is all that is required to really ignite 3rd party support.


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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: Ancalagon]
    #2809797 - 06/19/04 11:15 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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I still think you should all vote Nader so Bush wins.



Or I could just vote for whom I feel would best serve my country as President. Namely, Michael Badnarik the Libertarian candidate.




Yes, the day a third party is actually in solid competition I may vote for whom I feel the most comfortable about, until then I will vote for the better of the two candidates.


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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: ABBAZABA]
    #2809989 - 06/20/04 12:41 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Nader's drug policy sure makes sense! But I can't vote for a candidate on one single issue, I'm afraid. I'm going with Kerry this November.


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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: ABBAZABA]
    #2810145 - 06/20/04 01:57 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

A vote for nader is unfortunately, a vote for Bush.


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Re: fuck bush and kerry...vote nader!!! [Re: silversoul7]
    #2812017 - 06/20/04 10:35 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
Nader (a)has no chance of getting elected, (b)is an arrogant douche, (c)is too socialist for my taste, and (d)will only hurt our chances of getting Bush out of office.




SilverSoul is (A) a moron (B) talking out of his ass and (C) one of the problems of this country.


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