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OfflineAbsolut_B
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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: Evolving]
    #1360365 - 03/09/03 01:46 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I have often heard the fact that voting is the most important right of Americans, but it is not. The most important rights are those that should not be touched, such as the right to you own life, liberty, and property without the interference of government coercion. America is not a democracy, and for good reason,. We are a constitutional republic, where limits were supposed to be put on the power of voting. It is because of the democratic part of our government that we have drug laws, etc. Voting in America was supposed to be a check on the power of government, but over time has turned into mob rule. Don't shout "Vote or shut up" when no vote should need to be taken to protect your freedoms. If you really want to make a difference practice civil disobedience and try to change the minds of those around you as to why what they support is MORALLY wrong, and not just "their view on things." The second you impose your will on someone else you are commiting an immoral action, but most people don't understand that they must make sure they don't support unjust causes.

That said, I vote in every election of any importance. I vote libertarian by party and with a libertarian view on issues. I would like to think that the libertarian party could become a viable national 3rd party, but I doubt it. It is too weak and lacks strength at its base. It is still the most popular third party, and if it can't make a go out of it I doubt any one issue parties like the green party can.


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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: Evolving]
    #1360398 - 03/09/03 02:02 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

HI Evolving, find an almanac and find out how many peo-le voted for Lincoln for President and how many voted for the Democrats and how many were Whigs and Toreys and then compare that to Bush, Gore and Nadars very small third party tallies.

mj

That vote would be interesting to see.

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OfflineAbsolut_B
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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1360587 - 03/09/03 03:45 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I might also add that during the time of Lincoln politcal parties were not nerely as powerful as they are today. Also Lincoln was a whig, and the republican party as a whole absorbed many of the whig party members. In that aspect, it was not a grass roots third party that gained power, but merely a drastic shift in power that destroyed several other national parties in the process.

The events leading to Lincoln's place in history and the birth of the republican party are very complex, but this was also a time of a growing gap in the north/south cultures that would lead to war. It's funny that people talk about how Bush had less than a majority in the popular vote, yet Lincoln(who is considered one of our better presidents, maybe unfairly) didn't even have close to a majority popular vote. (disclaimer is that he wasn't even on the ballot in several southern states)


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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: Anonymous]
    #1361850 - 03/10/03 05:27 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I don't vote because i'm an anarchist, its against my political beliefs =)


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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: mjshroomer]
    #1364488 - 03/11/03 03:37 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I understand your view John but I disagree.

I am sorry to hear you will be leaving us because President Bush will undoubtedly be re-elected.

By the time his re-election takes place most states will have electronic voting.  Florida will not happen again.  There will be no arguing over chads this time.  Electronic voting probably means Bush and company really plan on stealing this next one. :frown:

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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: ]
    #1367600 - 03/12/03 02:16 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Electronic voting probably means Bush and company really plan on stealing this next one.



"They" didn't try to steal the last one, why would they try the next time since they'll win fair and square like the last time.


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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: ]
    #1369538 - 03/12/03 03:23 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Wow, that's really depressing to think about Bush getting re-elected, because I too, am sure he will be re-elected. It's really surprising how high his approval ratings are, especially when you consider he has not done a goddamn thing but make a major ass out of himself everytime he opens his goddamn stupid mouth. Maybe it isn't too surprising... I mean he hasn't done anything I haven't predicted he'd do. The economy is in the toilet, we're at war, and he still manages to make a complete ass out of himself every time he tries to make a statement. I guess he's what America wants--a fuck-up. He represents his country well.

But in this world of shit-ass politics I still have hopes and dreams, and probably a lot of ignorance. So I will vote at the next election (it'll be the first election I'm old enough to vote at) and just hope for the best. I have no idea who I'll vote for, I don't follow politics too closely, everybody is so fucking fake, politicians will say any goddamn thing for a vote. But I will vote, so that I can kill you, Stonedfish, and not feel guilty.


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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1369633 - 03/12/03 03:54 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not saying that Bush and Co. did steal the last election, but what makes you so absolutely sure that they didn't?


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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: psilo25]
    #1371178 - 03/13/03 01:41 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

1. They played by the rules of the game.
2. The Gore team tried to change the rules midstream.
3. All recounts done after the election with the exception of one, still showed Bush as the winner. This includes the recounts requested by the Gore team.
4. The Democrats are the kings of vote fraud.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1371223 - 03/13/03 03:50 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

i can't believe there are actually people that still believe that he STOLE the election...i say "man, let it go" :grin:


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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1371254 - 03/13/03 04:09 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Sore losers with their heads up their asses.


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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1371294 - 03/13/03 04:31 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Actually they're just bitter, but it is entertaining, at the same time being pathetic.


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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: Innvertigo]
    #1371327 - 03/13/03 04:52 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

OK then, entertaining, bitter, and pathetic sore losers with their heads up their asses.

Did I miss anything? :grin:


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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #1371353 - 03/13/03 05:07 AM (18 years, 4 months ago)

no you covered it better than i could :grin:


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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: Anonymous]
    #1373086 - 03/13/03 03:15 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

that is so fucking stupid man, I am so sick of people saying "You should vote no matter what blah blah blah...."

That is what causes the problems in america today.

If you are not educated on the issue you should not vote on it! Nowadays people just vote their party lines, no matter what, and people that actully DO educate themselves and actully DO care about the subject vote's are rendered useless by the millions and millions of people who vote mindlessly.


People who push the "its not right to not vote!" are runing america, whats the point of a vote if you dont beleive in it?

it should be "vote only if you know what the fuck you are votting for."


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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: Sombie]
    #1373227 - 03/13/03 04:16 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Then only vote on the issues you know. If you read my second post, this frustration stems from the hundreds if not thousands of stoners who don't vote for anti-WOD candidates or don't show up when a medicinal marijuana bill comes up. You know what? I don't smoke, and if I'm the only one fighting for legalization, maybe I should just give up and let the bitchy stoners wallow in their own laziness and piss on themselves for fear of authority.


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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: Anonymous]
    #1373592 - 03/13/03 07:04 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

I would like to institute a national paper, rock, scissors run-off for president. I think it would be more fair and hell, that would be really zen.....


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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: Anonymous]
    #1376314 - 03/14/03 03:20 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Thats what I am saying, people should only vote for things they know, but with the whole "vote or your unpatroitic" thing makes people think they have to vote, even if they have no idea.


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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: Sombie]
    #1376354 - 03/14/03 03:49 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

Actually, the point was people SHOULD have some idea, and the wish to actually do something instead of just bitch.


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Re: To Americans here who don't vote: [Re: Sombie]
    #1376409 - 03/14/03 04:32 PM (18 years, 4 months ago)

so do you feel that if you don't vote on something that you have a right to bitch about it? (i know you have a right but in the context of general disscussion)


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