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 navyseals101
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 Setting up an HPS ballast CHEAP 
#7775878 - 12/18/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've learned that you can construct your own ballast through kits online or through parts at electrical supply places.
I dont know how to mount the lights onto the reflectors though
Do you guys recommend constructing your own? I'm really wanting to make this grow as cheap as possible, effective and a good project to build some basic knowledge with things
I've found a security light HPS 150W that can be purchased for 20$ and reassembled to be a remote ballast.
Whats a remote ballast?
any advice or recommendations? I think I should start acquiring parts so I just start getting things done and get this project to fall into going.
Do you recommend I buy the seperate HPS parts and construct my own ballast and reflector or what?
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Re: Setting up an HPS ballast CHEAP [Re: navyseals101]
#7778566 - 12/19/07 05:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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a 150w hps is a joke. Use at least a 400. You can buy a pre fab economy ballast with bulb and reflector ready to go cheap, $125. If you search on the internet, you can figure out how to build your own shit. There is many websites that sell the ballast componants that have information on this.
I would reccomend buying the econo ballast because it is cheap. I would buy a reflector also. You can make your own but you need a source of shiny aluminum and some tools to do this. The reflector is one of the most important parts of the lighting system.
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Re: Setting up an HPS ballast CHEAP [Re: derx]
#7778638 - 12/19/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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^ Hmm, I've actually done some reserach already on constructing my own ballast.
Why are 150W HPS's a joke? I've heard someone who got the 400W regret it and he wishes he would of got the 150W HPS.
I'm thinking of doing a cabinet grow with 3-4 plants and have them in DWC buckets like this guy.
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but I may have to take your word for it. I just don't want heat to become an issue especially if the extra wattage isn't really needed to cover the small amount of space I'll be planning on utilizing.
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Edited by royer9864 (12/19/07 07:36 PM)
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Re: Setting up an HPS ballast CHEAP [Re: navyseals101]
#7778862 - 12/19/07 06:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've seen many succesful ICmag grows that utilize a 150 watt bulb, and it's a good choice for a cheap bulb that you don't have to worry about overheating. However a 600 watt bulb is the most efficiant bulb there is and I'd reccomend using one. If you use 150 watt your buds will be loose and fluffy, so you'll just lose some yield at the end
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Re: Setting up an HPS ballast CHEAP [Re: Gastronomicus]
#7779516 - 12/19/07 09:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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150W tends to give off to much heat compared to light to be a good idea. I'd go with 400W if that is an option.
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Re: Setting up an HPS ballast CHEAP [Re: Nalim]
#7780734 - 12/20/07 08:23 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Heya,
The wattage really depends on the size of your growth space. I have around 2x2 foot cabin and I wouldn't put a 600W light there no matter how efficient it is. The prices of 150-400W don't differ much, but I would really consider growth room space when acquiring one as more wattage means more heat. Also having a 600W bulb in small space doesn't increase the yields as I believe smaller light will give enough light to saturate the photosynthesis rate there.
Also I believe that you should buy kit with reflector as it is propably easiest way and you propably COULD save only like 10-20 bucks if finding and fitting all parts yourself. Just my opinion tho :P
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Re: Setting up an HPS ballast CHEAP [Re: gilrand]
#7781018 - 12/20/07 10:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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christ, 2x2? talk about a micro grow. Anyways, for most grows a 600 watt ballast is optimal since it provides a nice balance of lumens to money spent on electricity.
Unless you are an electrician or proficient at electrical work i would highly suggest against building your own ballast. Not only does it have the potential to kill you it's also a huge fire hazard as well. The last thing you want is a fire in your grow area.
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Re: Setting up an HPS ballast CHEAP [Re: coda]
#7784439 - 12/21/07 03:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well not all of us are living in cozy detached or similar SPACEOUS houses, some are confined to one room which includes kitchen.. 
You can get pretty decent yields on 2x2, FOR PERSONAL (and friends) USE.. It can house six untopped plants which together can easily yield up to 100-150 grams which is enough for me to smoke TOO MUCH for over 6 months and in that time I've easily grown next batch 
But I'll agree with buying a ready kit as I said before, for safety reasons aswell..
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Edited by gilrand (12/21/07 03:23 AM)
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Re: Setting up an HPS ballast CHEAP [Re: gilrand]
#7785331 - 12/21/07 11:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you are going to buy parts you can save money. All you need is enough basic knowledge to be able to twist wires together and put a wire nut on them. You strip about 1/2" of bare wire from each and twist them together in a clockwise direction with the tips toward you. Then put on the wire nut and twist it clockwise until it's good and tight. You should see no bare copper when you are done. Make sure you have the right size wire nuts for the size of wire. Kits will have all that in them.
A remote ballast is simply having the ballast a ways away from the reflector instead of built into the reflector. The ballast is heavy so remoting it is an advantage. Also, the ballast puts out a lot of heat and if you have it outside the grow room or grow area, then the heat is not put into there with the plants. Just use long enough wire so that the ballast is where you want it. Use the shortest amount of wire you can while leaving a little bit for leeway. You don't want 50' of wire because each foot uses a tiny bit of your electricity to make heat.
Even with a kit you have to put on wire nuts. Get some scrap wire and practice if you haven't done it before. Buying parts just means you buy a ballast and a reflector separately. The ballast should have a guide showing what wire goes where so it's like a kit. If the ballast doesn't include it, you will also need a cable to connect from the ballast to the reflector and a socket. Ask if the cable and socket comes with it or is extra. Then of course you need the right size bulb and hangers for the reflector. It's a piece of cake if you can use tools and are able to follow directions.
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