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OfflineLizard King
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Re: just curious
    #77204 - 07/25/00 08:05 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Before I answer this question, let me ask you why you think this would work. Its is possible that if you did that, something active might fruit, but chances are, if the field doesn't already have magic in it, theres none in the shit either. Theres nothing magical about cow/horse shit, it won't fruit mushrooms out of no where. There has to be spores in the shit in order for it to produce. And I doubt there is already active mushroom spores in the shit, and if there is, why the hell not just pick them in the field? Your best bet if your hellbent on creating your own field, would be to heavily inoculate each turd with as many spores as you have. Then maybe something will fruit.

The Lizard,

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InvisibleGGreatOne234
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Re: just curious
    #77206 - 07/25/00 09:44 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Hello whatgoinon, I have done this before with about 15 big dry cow patties...several months later I saw a little cube popping up, now the entire 15 patties have been growing fake mushrooms by the hundreds.

I think that it is a very good idea! Of course, just as the Lizard sort of said, if theres no shroom that grow where you live, than whats the purpose?

Then again in fl, Ive been picking cubes off the same exact cow patties every other day for almost two months now. Some patties just produce mushrooms until the mushrooms have used up all the cow shit!!! ...every other day I notice the cow patties getting smaller and smaller. Not every pile of cow shit is this productive.

I have my own little theory as to why only some cow shits produce constantly until the patty is gone. ..You ever seen a COW eat a SHROOM????? heheheheh they eat 'em ya know!!

Take it easy whatgoinon, best wishes with your idea

***Oh, and dont even bother with the horses, just Cows***

[This message has been edited by GGreatOne234 (edited July 25, 2000).]



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Re: just curious
    #77207 - 07/26/00 12:07 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

***Oh, and dont even bother with the horses, just Cows***

So it is completly IMPOSSIBLE to grow shrooms on horse crap?



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Re: just curious
    #77208 - 07/26/00 12:17 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

quote:
Originally posted by Lizard King:
Before I answer this question, let me ask you why you think this would work. Its is possible that if you did that, something active might fruit, but chances are, if the field doesn't already have magic in it, theres none in the shit either. Theres nothing magical about cow/horse shit, it won't fruit mushrooms out of no where. There has to be spores in the shit in order for it to produce. And I doubt there is already active mushroom spores in the shit, and if there is, why the hell not just pick them in the field? Your best bet if your hellbent on creating your own field, would be to heavily inoculate each turd with as many spores as you have. Then maybe something will fruit.

The Lizard,



From my understanding there are 17 billion spores flying around in nature. So,i dont think i should need to buy them. and i know shrooms grow around here, its just im not the one that goes out and picks up the horse shit and carries it back to my house. my dad brings it home everyday. so im not the one going to the horse stalls/fields. that why i came up with this idea. Believe me, if i could go to a cow/horse field ,I would.


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OfflineLizard King
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Re: just curious
    #77209 - 07/26/00 12:42 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Well if thats the case then no, it more than likely won't work. Horse fields rarely(I've only heard of it, never seen it) ever produce P.cubensis. In order for the shit your dad brings home to fruit P. cubensis, the horses he gets it from have to some how ingest the spores. And unless the these paticualr horses are in a pasture with cows that are producing P. cubensis, its highly unlikely.


No, its not impossible to grow "shrooms" on horse dung. Its just highly unlikely that the spores of P. cubensis will germinate on horse dung. If you inoculate horse dung with live mycelium, then it will colonize the dung just fine. For example, if I used a wedge of colonized agar to inoculate a bag of horse dung, it would colonize. But if I tried the same thing with a spore syring, it wouldn't work.


Maybe its the PH level, or a difference in feed, but for some reason P. cubensis spores don't preffer horse dung. Maybe that freak horse field that grows cubensis every other blue moon, is a result of a different feed, or weather conditions that altered the state of the dung and allowed P. cubensis spores to germinate?


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Re: just curious
    #77210 - 07/26/00 12:49 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

quote:
Originally posted by Lizard King:
Well if thats the case then no, it more than likely won't work. Horse fields rarely(I've only heard of it, never seen it) ever produce P.cubensis. In order for the shit your dad brings home to fruit P. cubensis, the horses he gets it from have to some how ingest the spores. And unless the these paticualr horses are in a pasture with cows that are producing P. cubensis, its highly unlikely.


No, its not impossible to grow "shrooms" on horse dung. Its just highly unlikely that the spores of P. cubensis will germinate on horse dung. If you inoculate horse dung with live mycelium, then it will colonize the dung.


Maybe its the PH level, or a difference in feed, but for some reason P. cubensis spores don't preffer horse dung.


The Lizard,



I can understand what your saying, but you still have heard is that billions of spores are flying around. if thats true, then shouldn't it work at least 5-25% of the time (5 - 30 horse patties )


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InvisibleGGreatOne234
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Re: just curious
    #77211 - 07/26/00 12:52 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Well I just read through your profile and it says that you are located in Ohio. (You did not tell us where you are living)

So, you might as well just throw that horse shit out your window, for all the good its gonna do you in Ohio.

Heres a list of Ohio magicmushroom species taken from mjshroomer's US and CANADA SHROOM LOCATOR;

Ohio
Gymnopilus aeruginosus (Peck) Singer. (Stamets, 1996).
Gymnopilus luteofolius
Gymnopilus spectabilis (Fr.) Smith=G. junonius (Fr.) Orton.
Panaeolus subbalteatus Berkeley & Broome. (Pollock, 1976).
Psilocybe azurescens (Stamets, 1996) (Introduced)
Psilocybe caerulipes (Peck) Sacc. (Guzm?n, 1983; Smith & Weber-Smith, 1980).

Start doing your homework. From what I know about these species, I would say to not even bother with the three Gymnopilus species. The Panaeolus subbalteatus would be an excellent magicmushroom for you to find. They grow on rotten hay, and sometimes known to occur in manure enriched soil. Psilocybe azurescens is listed here only because it has been Cultivated outdoors, so dont waste your time on that one. Psilocybe caerulipes is definately another species for you to learn about.

Here's a link to mj's shroom identification guide at his website .---->http://mjshroomer.yage.net/species.html
Go there to find photographs of these mushrooms.


Remember, Ohio is one of the better states for finding Morel mushrooms!
Go here to learn about Morels---->http://morelmushroomhunting.com/fullspeed.html

That should keep you busy for a while



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Re: just curious
    #77212 - 07/26/00 12:57 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

quote:
Originally posted by GGreatOne234:
Well I just read through your profile and it says that you are located in Ohio. (You did not tell us where you are living)

So, you might as well just throw that horse shit out your window, for all the good its gonna do you in Ohio.

Heres a list of Ohio magicmushroom species taken from mjshroomer's US and CANADA SHROOM LOCATOR;

Ohio
Gymnopilus aeruginosus (Peck) Singer. (Stamets, 1996).
Gymnopilus luteofolius
Gymnopilus spectabilis (Fr.) Smith=G. junonius (Fr.) Orton.
Panaeolus subbalteatus Berkeley & Broome. (Pollock, 1976).
Psilocybe azurescens (Stamets, 1996) (Introduced)
Psilocybe caerulipes (Peck) Sacc. (Guzm?n, 1983; Smith & Weber-Smith, 1980).

Start doing your homework. From what I know about these species, I would say to not even bother with the three Gymnopilus species. The Panaeolus subbalteatus would be an excellent magicmushroom for you to find. They grow on rotten hay, and sometimes known to occur in manure enriched soil. Psilocybe azurescens is listed here only because it has been Cultivated outdoors, so dont waste your time on that one. Psilocybe caerulipes is definately another species for you to learn about.

Here's a link to mj's shroom identification guide at his website .---->http://mjshroomer.yage.net/species.html
Go there to find photographs of these mushrooms.


Remember, Ohio is one of the better states for finding Morel mushrooms!
Go here to learn about Morels---->http://morelmushroomhunting.com/fullspeed.html

That should keep you busy for a while



from me doing my homework, ive learned that horses eat hay. (i didnt learn this recently either. ;P)



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OfflineLizard King
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Re: just curious
    #77213 - 07/26/00 12:58 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Man how can I explain this. Getting a cubensis to pop up out of HORSE shit randomly selected by your dad out of a random field, is like winning the lottery. Your chances would be more like 1 mushroom out of every 1,000,000 patties.

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OfflineAzure
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Re: just curious
    #77214 - 07/26/00 02:05 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Psilocybe species, in relation to mushrooms in general, are very rare. There are billions of spores flying around constantly, but also remember that it takes two spores to form a dikaryotic strain that will fruit. Chances of one of those billions of spores being a P. cub in Ohio seem pretty slim shady to me.


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Re: just curious
    #77215 - 07/26/00 02:08 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

quote:
Originally posted by Azure:
Psilocybe species, in relation to mushrooms in general, are very rare. There are billions of spores flying around constantly, but also remember that it takes two spores to form a dikaryotic strain that will fruit. Chances of one of those billions of spores being a P. cub in Ohio seem pretty slim shady to me.

What about P. subbalteatus on cow shit in ohio?



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