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Lizard Kings new species and other thingies
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Hey, it's been awhile since I logged on last (around october of 02) and I remember seeing that Lizard King had found huge amounts of weilii as well as atlantis (is it really officially a shroom or still nom. prov (I heard it could be tampanensis so I was curious if it was actually a new species)? Did LK provide voucher specimens when he found them?

Mostly, I am really excited to find the new species that Lk found. Is it in the works for a name yet? Anyone else find it yet? It looked like young weilii to me (took alot of heat for that).

I would really love to hear from folks who know folks who've found or bioassayed this new mushroom. Sorry if I'm out of the loop but I searched and didn't find any info. I'm sure I must be just looking in the wrong place or searching wrong cuz LK is usually pretty good at posting photos. He trully must be a mycologist to have all of the experience he has. Or at least , one helluva a credit to the myco-entheogen community. Any spore-prints from the new species yet? Any definitive info reguarding habitat? I'd love to hear about any info that's been accumulated lately.


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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: euphoria2123]
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I want to be more specific and also remind fellow georgians that we , apparently are living in the land of plenty. Pacific NW and florida need to get to producing cuz ga is shaping up to be the US "home of the shroom". Who Knew? Double thanks to Lizard King. Here are excerpts from the pertinent threads.

From the thread "new species and lots of them":

LK: "Well for the past 3 or so weeks this mushrooms has been fruitng quite abundantly! So far I've found somehwere between 1000-2000 mushrooms this season of this species, its been incredible!"

LK: "Prints is purple, they bruise blue about as fast as weilii,..."

Lk: "Thanks for the kind words, no prints of this one just quite yet..."

LK: "I'm thinking of naming them after Mckenna, or atleast I'd like to. What do you all think about that?"


So I am curious about wether anything (at all) came of this. It's a pretty exciting devopement for us living in GA. It's pretty amazing that LK was for awhile one of the VERY few who had found weilii and just when this mushroom fruited out the yin-yang and many others found it LK managed to find 2 knew species. I'm crying that I don't know him better.


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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: euphoria2123]
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There are a few p.atlantis cultures in circulation out there.
I havent heard any news on it or the other LK speices..but im sure it will be posted as soon there is any new info in this subject.

peace..

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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: euphoria2123]
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Euphoria2123 wrove above,

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"I want to be more specific and also remind fellow georgians that we , apparently are living in the land of plenty. Pacific NW and florida need to get to producing cuz ga is shaping up to be the US "home of the shroom."




I would like to point out that a common lawn of P. stuntzii/P. fimetaria can produceas many as3-10,000 mushrooms on a lawn at a single time and can be picked like that every three to four days dependant on the weather conditions. The season for these blue-ringers is sometimes all year long or from June-July through February.

AS for our famous liberty cap mushrooms (P. semilanceata), a single picker in a single field can find and collect from as many as 1000 to 3000 liberty caps in a single day. This would be equal to 1 to 3 fresh pounds of shrooms. These liberty cap fields in the pacific northwest extend from Bandon, Oregon in the south of the PNW to Vancouver, British Colombia, Canada and fromt h the Cascades in the east of to the Olympics in the west. I am talking about thousands of pastures were 90% of every field with cattle grazing produce this mush which fruits from late July throgh Decenber until the frost comes. Plus the P. cyanescens, P. baeocystis, P. pelliculosa, P. subbalteatus, P. cyanofibrilosa, etc.

And the same in the fall for P. cyanescens. Single locations can yield ten to fifty pounds of shrooms. Georgia has three common varieties, P. cubensis, P. weilii and possibly Copelandia cyanescens.

The still unnamed P. atlanta or P. atlantis has only been found in small quantities onb a few ocassions. So it is not as common. AS for a patch, natral patches ten to grow back over and over while man made environments ony ususally last for three years or so.

The PNW will always be the Mushroom Capital of the World since there are more than 18 sspecies found here which contain psilocine/psilocybine.

Florida to Texas abounds with mostly P. cubensis and Copelandia spp. as the predominant magic shrooms in the Southeast U.S.A.

But the PNW rocks. Some are still finding little baby proordia, a dose or two here or there.

mj

Edited by mjshroomer (01/30/03 11:08 PM)

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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: mjshroomer]
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And not to mention certain spots in Melbourne Australia that were home to over 3400 fruits of Psilocybe Subaeruginsa var. Australiana in an area that was three metres square.


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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: mjshroomer]
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Reports of an aclimatized cubensis are coming in from the great PNW also so as soon as corroborated, we'll add the cube to the list making the PNW home to the most active species not to mention the most potent.
The story from several reputable foragers is of a giant PNW cube(4-8" caps!) which fruits late spring and after the warm rains in summer and early fall.I have yet to find this "ghost" but am looking.However the ole fart who has the most reputable story is convinced that this is a large Psilocybe and two others claim to have seen this fruit near Salem,Or. where it was supposedly developed and acclimatized.As I said I have yet to see it but honestly expect to someday soon :wink:WR
PS the weilii high can be recreated by taking L-tryptophan or 5-Htp with your dose of cubes and the same with a baeo,azure or semi is a wild dream for sure!


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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: euphoria2123]
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I really must apologize for the manipulativeness of my post (and this one too). I was a little shitty and the last time that I had logged on to the hunting forum I questioned LK's finds. He posted pics that had some of the characteristics of psilly's but didn't include examples of blueing. Bluing is one hallmark that just about everyone uses as a basic check to insure it is an active psilocybe. Just look at the many posts asking about blueing boletes. My questioning of his find was met with a scathing retort that hurt my massive ego. So I apologized, admitting some ignorance (in the face of his claims of huge amounts of foraging experience).

Now, to be honest, I can understand why people might make stuff up to make themselves look better in a particular community- I am guilty of the same offense back when I was about 14. I also have met people trying the same tactic much later in life. Usually they don't want to hurt anyone, they are just stealing a little undeserved attention. This is what I believe LK was doing.

LK access to weilii was because he was informed at the shroomery and found them in his yard. A long chain of events occured in his life because of this discovery. The same can be said for the individual who provided the original voucher specimens. Honestly, I can say the the reason I met that individual was because of his notoriety from that simple discovery and the actions (as well as the interest he had) he took to actually do something with it. So, back to LK, when it was made known that others found this mushroom in abundance it became necessary to "up the ante" and suddenly find more new species in the atlanta area to validate his "claim to fame". Thus, photos of huge collections of his recent weilii finds that get larger as this rainy period continues (always topping the most recent) and his find of atlantis and a new species. He even posted a "bioassay" description of the new discovery within a week. But never any bluing pictures or genuine pictures of discovery locales. Obviously, anyone who is looking the discovery of a new species in the face (and knows it) will gather way more information than what is needed. He didn't even gather the basics.

I don't mean to be a big dick in outing LK. Yeah, My ego get's satisfaction. But, to be honest, If this is a somewhat accurate picture of LK's actions and motives (his subsequent difficulties back me up as well) then I have more in common with LK than I'd like to admit.

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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: euphoria2123]
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I'd consider my self to be somewhat of a personal friend of LK's. I've met him before and we talk on the phone every once-in-a-while. He's a very nice, very smart guy. He just has a knack for finding mushrooms, he's got what it takes.

As far as the new species and Ps. atlantis goes, he has sent specimens to a few mycologists and universities to see if they were a previously identified species. So far everything has indicated that it is, in fact, a new species. I also believe he has done the same with the supposed Ps. atlantis he found.
I haven't heard much about them recently, LK has been absent for a long while. He has offered several times to take me to pick the new species, but I did not get a chance to take him up on the offer last season... perhaps I'll get the chance this season.

Regarding the absence of pictures to support the bluing, at one point in time he did, in fact, post pictures of the new species bruising intensely blue. Unfortunately these pictures were hosted on a different website, and it looks like he's cleaned out that directory recently, thus the pictures don't load.

So to sum things up: Yes, everything so far has indicated that he has found 1 (if not 2) new species, and Ps. atlantis. This was not some stunt to make him appear "bigger and better" than the other people finding Ps. weilii.

It's the real deal and that's all there is to it.

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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: euphoria2123]
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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: ]
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Not to mention the wealth of undiscovered/described gyms local to Australia that are only now getting interest. Ive found atleast two unknown gyms with unique spore and cystidia and I know that a friend in WA has made similar discoveries.


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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: Gumby]
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Hey Gumbydude, I am sure that LK is a great guy (although I haven't met him). One reason why I posted, what I posted (other than personal egomania) was that I really feel that it is important for the average joe to be able to back up a find.

In many ways the mushroom community is similar to the astronomy community. The stars are amazing to look at and many of us love gazing at the night sky.

Astronomy, like mycology is only really interesting to a few. The few that love to look for that little bit of natural magic, the few that like to wonder and enjoy 'searching'. Most of the discoveries come from amateurs (I hope like LK) who like to gaze and search (and wonder) and search. These discoveries, when amateurs have them, are pretty amazing and most importantly, validating. Many amateur astronomers and mycologists enjoy a hobby not appreciated (and suspected) by most folks. When something of magnitude comes along then it is a great opportunity for validation (and confirmation) among the community. Noone says: "yeah , I discovered this, prove I didn't" . What they say is "Hey, I've been working and I lucked out, check this out to make sure I'm not crazy". And then they provide the details.

Apparently, LK wasn't really a part of a community like this. To me this means that he wasn't really a part of the myco community. Perhaps he just became really involved in the "shroomery" community and thats all. If he's as talented as you say (wouldn't surprise me, ignorance can be a bitch) then he would have been a credit to the myco community. That means that LK was part of community that only heralded....what? The first to discover a great (greater) way to get high. I refuse to believe that. No doubt , on the shroomery, innovation is heralded as a way of 'getting high' but this is only an end result. Innovation and creativity are obviously appreciated. If this site were only an ends to a means it would have died long ago.

If LK really did discover, or assist in discovering, some new species, and he didn't make it known (to the best of his ability) how fellow amateur shroomers could find and validate his claim, then he's just plain selfish (and deluded about what just finding a mushroom means). Noone is asking for gps coordinates, just the basics reguarding identification of these supposed new mushrooms. Like I have said, I honestly believe that most of it is a little white lie told to support a position in the shroomery community that he didn't believe he deserved.

If you have any real, solid info to contest this (Other than 'I know him he's great. He sent this here and they are saying that this is this') point of view then send it. Send it along with info for the shroomery community to validate (and benefit from) his finds. I don't believe it exists.


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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: Zen Peddler]
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Gyms take over the forests! Another friend of mine carved out the inside of a stem and built a 300 room mansion in it!



I'm moving there!!! The bolete I live in is full of maggots. :crazy: 

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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: ]
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Yeah I've heard  a rumour about gyms up there. One story goes that folks go out in mid february to prepare a plot in the dirt. They start by digging about 2 feet down (after clearing aside any debis) and then layer a sheet of 4 by 6 (or whatever dimension the cheap particle board at home depot is) then add a two inch layer of humus rich soil followed by another sheat of pb. They add a gym from the year before (doesn't even matter if it's dead and dry as long as it has gills) then continue the layering same as before from the bottom. The top is a cased mixture of sawdust and humus rich top- soil.  In about 8 months , you get little 'jimmies' (they call'em) popping up. They don't mature but they are potent and do blue when bruised.  At this point it's good just to put some sawdust down  Wait about two months and that's when the real bonus starts. This is when the big fat, tough and fibrous but heavy and potent gym's start to form. It takes about 2 and a half weeks (usually-depends on gym strain) for the first flush (I've heard from 2-6 weeks but my friends say younger rather than older) to completely mature.
tichs*. Your mileage may vary. euphoria2123



Really, I'm just kidding. Like my friends would actually eat a gymnopilus species :wink:.
No they set up the growth matrix like I said and then set wire squirrel traps up in the middle of the fruiting gyms. Then they wait. Patience is a virtue but it helps if a sprinkler or a prism is available to create a rainbow over the plot of jimmies.  After a while, little blue 'shroomfs' come out and start filling up the squirrel traps. They are so stupid, they keep trying to find the gold at the end of the Gym-rainbows (and in the meantime subsist on the shrooms).  Once the traps are full my ohioan friends usually feed them for a few weeks on the gyms and then feed them bug powder for a few hours till they fall asleep. Then they deep fry them (the sound of the 'shroomfs' waking up while being deep-fried is tragic but hilarious). A little breading and some blue cheese and you have the makings of a psychedelic as hell super-bowl.






Definitions:
"tichs" - "T.his I.s C.omplete H.orse S.hit"
the above is 'tichs' and completely made up by euphoria2123. I have no friends in ohio and don't know shit about gymnopilus species.



 

Edited by euphoria2123 (02/01/03 07:58 PM)

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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: ]
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Mr_Mushrooms, ROFL.
you guys are too much.

ps, yeah, those ohio gyms are a pain. they let a fruiting get out of controll in downtown columbus park and it took over the Nationwide insurence plaza, knocking over the AT&T building. it was a terrible mess.


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Attn PWN hunters: If you should come across a bluing Psilocybe matching P. pellicolusa please smell it.
If you detect a scent reminiscent of Anethole (anise) please preserve a specimen or two for study and please PM me.

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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: canid]
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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: euphoria2123]
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Hello everyone,

The discoverer of P atlantis has now moved out of the area,
That person revealed to the Lizard his private picking locations, of 3 different species (so as to continue collecting these specie);

1 weilii (in lawns)
2 atlantis (stll nom prov)
3 and also a third Psilocybe of which i do not think was yet named,,

The Lizard had already been finding weilii in lawns and under baby sweetgum trees
After being shown atlantis by its original discoverer, Lizard then set out and found yet Another psilocybe specie of his own

So, so far there is weilii, atlantis, and two (2) more species that we are unsure of, =4

Durng LK's season of 2002 he was colllectng all these species and printng them for their spore deposits,
-Amist all the chaos (and around the time they began speculating that they were finding tampanesis) these prints were mis-labeled as atlantis and a few people quickly cultivated them and then began the circulaton of even more of these unidentified mystery shrooms,

GG

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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: GGreatOne234]
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Ah-ha, Great One you are most wise,
And seem to tell the true tale.

Much of what I said was wrong but still a little bit right. So , I bow deeply and humbly to your greater wisdom and to LK I bow deeply in apologies for assumptions I have made.

I hope that all info about the progress of these finds through the process of examination is made available to everyone. It's just cool stuff to know and learn about for everyone. I am just so sick of secrets kept just to prop up the ego. Isn't one of the trully greater experiences the mushroom has to offer the dissolution of ego? I'm working , slowly and often ineffectively, on mine, but it is a constant process.


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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: euphoria2123]
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Its hard to determine species on macroscopic details alone - the first step is get spore measurements and have the cystidia examined. If this doesnt help, isozyme analysis could delineate it or include it under and existing species pretty much conclusively.


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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: ]
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yeah last I heard goodale park was engulfed in gyms, they had to shut down neil.

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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: euphoria2123]
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I guess nobody has seen those 200 + lb mushies coming from the short north. They are growing all over the fucking park eating everything. Sorry for fucking with you ohioans just thought it would be fun.

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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: euphoria2123]
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My my my, lots of talk while I'm gone. I can't believe you euphoria, you came on here 6 months ago trying to dis credit me and now again. I really don't care anymore. My find have all been documented and sent to guzman, give our friend a call and ask him. I sent in my new species which could end up being atlantis(we think this is most likely) or it could be a new species all together. I also sent in the 2 new species(one of which is atlantis) that the guy who discovered atlantis found, I did this as a favor as he no longer lives in this state.

I deposited my speciemens to Dr. Richard Hanlin at the University of Georgia, who in turn freeze dried them and had them sent to guzman. Guzman is just now getting around to looking at the original specimens of atlantis found 3 years ago, it will be a while before he has a chance to look at my finds.

So, to say I made all this up to boost my ego is the biggest pile o shit, and so are you sir :smile: I read your first post in this thread and was going to apologize to you for saying the things I said in the past. Now you have reinforced my original thoughts on you 6 months later. Just stay out of my buisness, quit posting about me, try not even mentioning my name.

I'm still around, its not like I've died and am gone forever. Just had a busy winter, I'll be back for shroom season. So before you go talking shit like I ain't in the room...

Have a nice day :smile:


And to everyone at the shroomery, hows ya been :smile: Take care and see ya soon :smile:

Your freind always...

Lizard King,

PS: I'm calling you tommarow gumby, its getting time to gear up for morel season here pretty soon.




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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: Lizard King]
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Mucho apologies Mr. mushrooms. I talked to a friend of workmans on the phone last night who prompted me to get off my ass and send workman the prints I promised him. While I'm digging them out of the closet I'll get you some prints out as well. I'm not even going to make a promise when they will go out, But I will keep in touch and get them out soon. Mushroom season is just around the corner here in GA and I'm starting to get the fever again:

I just got off probation last thursday(HELL YEAH!!!!) So yes, all is well now, and this lizard has learned his lesson, no more DUI's or drug tests!!!!

Take care,


Mike.


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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: Lizard King]
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I would send this to you in a PM, but last I heard your PMs were broken:

Hell yeah man! You just made my night a whole lot better. I've been wondering how you've been doing. I lost the email you sent me with your phone number in it and I've tried emailing/PMing ladel to see if he had it, but no response. Could you send me an email(gumbydude@hotmail.com) or a PM with your cell number?

I've gotta show you my new digital cam :smile: A bunch of us in the hunting forum have gotten new digital cameras over the winter. It's going to be battle of the photography skills come spring time... should be fun :smile:

Hope to hear from you soon, man!

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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: Gumby]
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I have one hell of a virus brewing in my comp, I will not send you an email since the last few folks said my comp tried to send them a virus when I sent them emails. I promise I will call you tommarow.

About the digis, you all piss me off  :smile:dsc-s85 $800 camera was stolen from me over the winter at some point, it sours my mood just to think about it. And I don;t have very many friends and they are all like family to me, my house had to have been broken into. I had my stereo face from my truck stolen over the winter too, for the second time. The area I live in is getting really bad quickly. A year ago I left the doors on the house unlocked, not anymore!! Anyways, I'd like to see your new camera, I plan on getting yet another one(my 4th) in a few weeks, atleast in time for morel season.


Off subject...what the hell happened to the forrest floor?? I need another place to host my images now, and I ain't gonna pay fer it!!!!!! :smile:

LK,


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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: Lizard King]
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About the drinking and driving, trust me, I am NOT that stupid!!!! This DUI happened in a cow pasture on private property(no not while I was shroom picking :smile: ) I wasn't even on the street. I was caught on a technicality and they burned my ass for it big time. Such is life, ya live and ya learn, won't make that mistake again. I just wanted to clear up that I am not the drunk on the street that everyone hates, this was a party in a cow pasture on private property. Man, that sounds pretty damn redneck, eh :smile:


LK,


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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: Lizard King]
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Sorry to hear about your cam man :frown:

I'm working on setting up a webserver right now. It'll probably be a month or so before I get it running 100% but you can host some images over here once I get it up and running.


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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: Gumby]
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you better be sure of that offer, this lizard don't play when is comes to pics :smile: I had over 700 at forest floor! Nah, I only need space for ten or so at a time, I can delete as I go. That would be sweet if you do set something up. I've always wanted  a southeastern shroomer site, I actually made one once but never got it up and fully running.

BTW: I really am a lizard king now. I have taken a huge interest in water dragon lizards. I now care for and breed chinese water dragons and sell the babies, in case anyone is interested in buying a water dragon. I have found herpatology to be my second favorite hobby under mycology. Keeping water dragons is a very fun and rewarding experiance to say the very least.

So what happened to the forest floor, they just decide to give up or what?


Mike.


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and where did the chat room go?


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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: Lizard King]
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No shit man, you're into herps too? Before mycology and fish, I used to be big into the herp scene. Kept 15 different species at one point in time. You should try to keep some chameleons or dendrobates(poison dart frogs). You know you're an expert when you can keep those guys alive with no problems.

I'm not really sure what happened with the forrest floor. I don't really follow their site too often. We've been having some problems with forrest floor users in the past few weeks, I'll fill ya in on the drama when we talk tomorrow.

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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: Gumby]
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Off subject again, but I am getitng a male panther chameleon next week. They are the most colorful of the chameleons, and unfortunately the most expensive, $225 for a baby. Water dragons are my main passion thouh, I've dedicated an entire room in my new house for them. I never thought I would be so attached to a reptile, but they are so personal and such smart animals its incredible!


Anyways, enoug about herps, I talk to ya tommarow gumby, and as for you mr. mush, I will get your prints out this week, all I am going to be able to send is a print of my new specie and weilii, the others were give to Dr. richard hanlin and then sent to guzamn. This spring maybe we can work something out and you can get a look at all 4 species. Mybe even come visist for a guied tour of GA psilocybes. Now that would be some serious fun!


LK,


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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: Lizard King]
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off subject yet again(althogh by now its almost on track) i also love herps i have a two year old male iguana named steve he is about 3 feet long STL(snout to tail length) only reason i have an iguana is cause they are cheap and dont eat bugs=less trouble to feed all i do is make a salad and im done. well ok then im out. peace

blaze2


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Re: Lizard Kings new species and other thingies [Re: Lizard King]
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LK,

don't let this prick get to you man!

just wanted to say another thanks again for all your inadvertant help this past fall on tracking down sir weilli.  i had some beautiful hauls towards the end.  your pictures and descriptions were excellent.  i plan on resuming my hunt for sir weilli here in in upstate sc in the next month or so and i just feel it in my bones they are hiding somewhere around these parts.

Take care and congrads on getting off the probation.....damn redneck  :tongue:

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