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Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind?
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It seems like many people who are against drugs have the firm belief that nothing they reveal are real, and all they do is force your mind to crank out random things that don't have true significance. From my salvia experience, I feel there is no question that there truly are other realities that exist within the same physical space as the world we're used to, and that the places I travel to on Salvia are no less real than this website. What do you guys think?

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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: kody260z]
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Well said, no doubt psychedelic drugs can be used as a catalyst to reach these other dimensions of space and time. Especially when it comes to time, every salvia trip I have had seems to last an eternity yet it has only been a few minutes.

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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: kody260z]
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Saying "realities" is a weird way to put it. It is different and infinite. Like the number of faces, bodies, ideas, or perspectives. I believe there is only one reality and all these different realities lead you to understanding what that truly, truly is.

I agree with your way of thinking though.

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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: accountant]
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That's interesting...so you're saying that all these different "places" all make up the one, true reality, and that in our daily lives, we're only tuned into one component of all that is? Something along those lines?

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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: kody260z]
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My take on this kind of relates to some things that Einstein came up with-Matter is energy. Energy is light. We are light beings.

I feel that our specific dimensional reality spins and vibrates at a certain speed, or frequency. Everything within that same speed or frequency is what we percieve with our senses as being real, or solid.

Now, what would happen if you took a portion of that same matter, and sped up, or slowed down it's vibration? It would probably become unpercievable to us. Yet it is still there, just not in frequency with our own spin, so it becomes harder to percieve or feel it.

What I think happens with psychedelics is two-fold: I think they allow consciousness to break free of the physical body and it's limited sensory capacity, and I think they are actually able to alter even the now free consciousnesses VIBRATIONAL frequency, which in turn allows one to tune into entirely different frequencies of reality that are different to our own. Spin at a particular rate, and now everything spinning in sequence with your speed reveals its self to you.

Just my hypothesis, so please don't attack me. lol

Edited by EthericOctopuss (11/17/07 11:06 AM)

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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: EthericOctopuss]
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haha attack you? I like it. But what's your theory relating to LSD/Shrooms and DMT/Salvia? DMT/Salvia seem to unquestionably take you somewhere ELSE, whereas LSD/Shrooms seem to change things HERE. Going with your theory, does this suggest that perhaps they all fit in, however the difference being that DMT/Salvia simply have a more drastic effect on the spin/vibration?

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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: kody260z]
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This is what drives me crazy. "Squares"/non-users/whatever will just tell you that drugs are simply making you loony, and that you are just some burnt out druggie when you try to describe that there's more to life. And 99.8% of the world are those "squares".


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Edited by PyroBurns (11/17/07 05:36 PM)

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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: kody260z]
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I actually think that salvia / DMT are much more powerful facillitators of ripping consciousness outside of the physical body and changing its frequency dramatically.

Shrooms and LSD are not nearly as potent at dislocating the consciousness from the physical, but they alter the vibrational speed WITHIN the shell just enough that things start to appear and change all around us, i.e. the invisible becomes visible, etc...

I think large enough dosages of LSD or shrooms have the capacity to do some of the things that Sally and DMT can, but not to the extent.

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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: EthericOctopuss]
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Let me ask my Quantum Magic 8-Ball.

Gotta shake it.

Gotta shake it, then bake it.

Shaking.

Shake your laffy taffy, while you are at it.

Don't Shake your blotter. Maybe.

Still shaking, waiting for reply. Quants are bitches, yo.

Welcome to my world.

I hope I am welcome in yours.

Shakin', bruddas and sissas!! SHAkin' it, hard!

Here comes the answer!

Here comes the sun, son!

Quantum Magic 8-Ball says:



Particle Wave Duality says IT IS BOTH!!

It's both, methinks. Maybe you could pick the description that works best for you.:grin:


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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: Apollyphelion]
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I don't think Saliva and DMT show you a different external reality, I think they plunge you deep within your own mind. Yes, it is shit being ripped up from your mind. But it's no more "random" than a dream is. It may seem foreign, yet the fact that it is your own mind you are exploring is what should help you learn from every experience.


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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: g00ru]
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not random
it is made up naturally of image fragments sounds and motifs from the here and now and related bits of memory.
the extra thickly mixed combinations seem so strange that you seem to be somewhere else.
extra people are there, some relatives maybe.
pointy eared types too?
it's another way of being in the stream of consciouness, but the stream is still in the world just running differently, some parts treacl-y, some parts mosaic or fractal.


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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: redgreenvines]
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Reading this thread has definitely sparked some interest and questioning my own views about the nature of alternate realities... I don't know how familiar you all are with Advaita Vedanta, but based on all of my entheogenic experiences thus far, especially with salvia, it seems to be very fitting with my own personal philosophical development as a result. Check it out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vedanta


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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: EthericOctopuss]
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EthericOctopuss said:
My take on this kind of relates to some things that Einstein came up with-Matter is energy. Energy is light. We are light beings.

I feel that our specific dimensional reality spins and vibrates at a certain speed, or frequency. Everything within that same speed or frequency is what we percieve with our senses as being real, or solid.

Now, what would happen if you took a portion of that same matter, and sped up, or slowed down it's vibration? It would probably become unpercievable to us. Yet it is still there, just not in frequency with our own spin, so it becomes harder to percieve or feel it.

What I think happens with psychedelics is two-fold: I think they allow consciousness to break free of the physical body and it's limited sensory capacity, and I think they are actually able to alter even the now free consciousnesses VIBRATIONAL frequency, which in turn allows one to tune into entirely different frequencies of reality that are different to our own. Spin at a particular rate, and now everything spinning in sequence with your speed reveals its self to you.

Just my hypothesis, so please don't attack me. lol

I really like this theory.

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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: Ophanim]
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My take is that vibration is what connects energy. While DMT(never done it though...) and/or Salvia tend to shine on these lights, LSD and Mushrooms just GIVE YOU the vibration.

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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: Justice_Fish]
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the distinction between dmt/salvia and lsd/shroom/mesc is time commitment
dmt/salvia take less than an hour and lsd/s/m/ take more than a workday

dress it up any way you like.
dose hi or lo for your specific tastes.

depends on the time you have available.


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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: kody260z]
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Boy. It's nice to see new people on here that are coming with really thought provoking good questions.

Not just, "Hey, how much of this dramamine should I take?"

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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: truffleupagus]
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haha thanks...it's great to be a part of a community where we can all speak freely about all this without worrying about people categorizing us or anything

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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: kody260z]
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Ayahuasca experiences anyone?

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Re: Salvia and DMT...actual alternate realities or random constructs of mind? [Re: ZeropointMind]
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I work in a head shop where we sell salvia. We sell mostly the purple sticky extracts, but there are a few other brands we have too. Most people i sell salvia to have never done it before, they call it saliva some times too.

A lot of people have similar experiences with each other. This is by no means scientific, but a ton of people seem to have a fear response.they feel something is pulling them in. The visuals are usually patterns like kaleidoscopes. a lot of people tell me it is scary for them, but they love it.

We sell a ton to military.

DMT i've just recently started getting ahold of. WOW!!!!!
Instant, powerful and long lasting. There seem to be archetypes in DMT. there are elves, aliens, different entities all about. They have talked to me i have talked to them, they pulled me out of my body and even made me a new one. I have stepped out of my body and watched it in the vast blackness of space, i have been flattened into an infinite space i thought could only be the second dimension.
These are my experiences and i have talked to some friends who reported similar things.
I read DMT the spirit molecule by Dr rick strassman and he says there are many cases of Aliens, elves, time and space travel. all from different people who have no knowledge of each others experiences.
I guess that doesn't say weather there is reality to it or it's all simply something we have in our minds and access, but i know it's fun as hell.

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