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InvisibleConservationist
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Heavy Metal = Romanticism
    #7632222 - 11/13/07 09:10 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Like gangster rap, black metal drew a great deal of its charisma from its claims of countercultural authenticity, a realness defined not by criminal boasts and urban play-by-plays but by an ultimately spiritual fidelity to misanthropy and infernal nihilism—an uncompromising (if easily parodied) Satanic sensibility salted with occasional bursts of violence, obscenity, and tabloid controversy. But as the genre grew in popularity, an interesting mythological transformation occurred. Classic bands like Ulver, Windir, and Enslaved left the Christian devil aside to reach for an older, pagan stratum of Norse and heathen lore (”Viking metal” is now its own subgenre). In their quest to express the atmosphere of awe and gloom that permeates these ancient ways, black-metal acts began extending and deepening their use of melodies, both folkloric and epic. What emerged was a powerful dark-side Romanticism, perhaps the most unalloyed descendent of old-school Sturm und Drang that we have.

http://metal-blogs.com/death/2007/11/14/environmentalism-romanticism-and-heavy-metal/

It's nice to see someone taking popular music seriously. I think I like any movement that combines Romanticism with an aversion to the Nanny State, and the selfish fatuousness of most people, rich or poor.


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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: Conservationist]
    #7632242 - 11/13/07 09:16 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

haha, I used to be an anus kid back in the day.

boy did that bring back memories.


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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: Conservationist]
    #7632247 - 11/13/07 09:17 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Black Metal and Gangster rap both happen to be two of my favorite genres right now :thumbup:


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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: CUBErt]
    #7632273 - 11/13/07 09:23 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Haha, gangster rap.. that's funny. Pretty much all I listen to is rap, not a fan of metal at all.


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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: Conservationist]
    #7632553 - 11/13/07 10:35 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Does he even KNOW what the definition of Romanticism is?


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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #7632610 - 11/13/07 10:50 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Romanticism = focused on the individual
Death Metal = focused on slaughtering babies and raping people.


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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: learningtofly]
    #7632709 - 11/13/07 11:14 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

This is not romantic:



You may have a point if you say this is though:



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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: mushroomplume]
    #7633265 - 11/14/07 01:07 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

actually, metal and romanticism, at least the metal he was talking about, have a lot in common.

1. the frailty of human existence
2. the depths of emotion
3. the blackness of emotion (anyone here heard of goethe or goya?)
4. misanthropic principles (emily dickinson anyone?)
5. the importance of emotional realism
6. the importance of fantasy
7. the emphasis on individual mental experiences communicated in a pure way
8. an emphasis on paganism and the primalism of the past (seen in later movements of romanticism, like the Rosecrucians)
9. primitivism

take a class on romanticism. it's not just about individualism.


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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: kriminalelement]
    #7633298 - 11/14/07 01:16 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Oh I would agree with that

I was probably thinking of speed/black, the only metal I'm really familiar with

I guess if you want to get technical drone/sludge/doom metal is also accetable


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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
    #7633791 - 11/14/07 05:51 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

That was cool. Good to see someone comment in an articulate way about the deeper levels of this subject rather than wave it off as something silly...everything should be explored, fuck boundaries.
Anyone like Amon Amarth? :rockon:


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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: OMniversal]
    #7633836 - 11/14/07 06:54 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Venom, Celtic Frost, and Burzum are my old school favorites.

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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: Conservationist]
    #7633934 - 11/14/07 08:54 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: UnholyChild666]
    #7633978 - 11/14/07 09:30 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Conservationist, why do you insist on posting on every forum I post at? Jesus-fucking-Christ! Anyways, I didn't read the article (not enough time at the moment), but I'd say that Black Metal and Power Metal are more closely related to Romanticism, rather than the whole genre of Metal.


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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: Boots]
    #7633986 - 11/14/07 09:39 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

I've actually no idea what romantacism is. Black Metal is mostly Satanic or Asatru from my experience. Kind of rebellious, and anger driven. I quite like it. I'm also a psytrancer, and black metal and psytrance seem to go together well. ;p

'Look at me, Satan's child, born of evil, thus defiled, brought to life, from Satanic birth, Raised in Hell to live on Earth.' ~Venom

I love the shit myself. Actually Slipknot gave me that old black metal vibe. I really enjoyed the show.

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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: GoaM]
    #7634178 - 11/14/07 11:21 AM (13 years, 3 months ago)

viking metal is bullshit. there are no vikings anymore, don't pretend to be one: you will fail. singing about heroes and shiny swords and dragons is gay. don't.


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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: Bridgeburner]
    #7636500 - 11/14/07 07:54 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

LOL! I like Burzum. Even got a nod in Metalocalypse. Good stuff.

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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: GoaM]
    #7636855 - 11/14/07 08:53 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Now that I think about it, if, according to the author, Romanticism is the study of experience and beauty outside of the human experience, then music wouldn't fall into that category at all. Music isn't made possible without humans, it isn't made of its own accord. All in all, the author has the general idea, albeit a bit skewered definition of Romanticism.


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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: Boots]
    #7636985 - 11/14/07 09:21 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

Skewed impressions of romanticism are rampant in this thread, methinks.


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Re: Heavy Metal = Romanticism [Re: Boots]
    #7637290 - 11/14/07 10:29 PM (13 years, 3 months ago)

hat's a rather flawed definition if I'm reading that correctly


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