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TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics)
    #758783 - 07/19/02 11:09 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

A friend and neighbor has a french drain in his yard (under the trench between the bed and the grass) so the ground stays quite moist.




There have been many flushes of all kinds of mushrooms, some as large as a head of lettuce and weighing over 6 pounds (none that stain blue though) in this strip of land (unfortunately, all that was there today were these ?cause the gardener was there yesterday and picked ?em all)




I have some jars that were contaminated with gray mold (and green mold in some too) so this a good test of how that "fat hoe Mother Nature" will take care of that for me:



So, I got to work on the large hole for the EQ?s:








Then made another (smaller) hole too for the Thai T3:



In 3 weeks, we should see some nice results.



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Re: TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics) [Re: TM]
    #758950 - 07/19/02 12:23 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

I hope you don?t grow green or grey mushrooms


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Re: TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics) [Re: Anno]
    #758953 - 07/19/02 12:25 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

i dont see the reasoning in using contaminated jars but.. hey its worth a try right?


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Re: TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics) [Re: Anno]
    #758954 - 07/19/02 12:25 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

That's CRAZZY!

Hi I am Brian Fellows!!!!


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Re: TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics) [Re: closetfreak]
    #758985 - 07/19/02 12:41 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

LMFAO!!

I'm Brian Fellow!!!!


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Re: TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics) [Re: Anno]
    #759119 - 07/19/02 01:30 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

That is what I'm thinking!! What difference is it gonna make if you toss your contaminated cakes outdoors to grow or you grow them indoors?? Either way you have a contaminated substrate, in which can lead to.........

I just dont get this save your contaminated cake bit.


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Re: TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics) [Re: pleezr]
    #759345 - 07/19/02 03:04 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

The way I look at it, out in nature it's survival of the fittest, so if the mycelium is strong enough to take hold of the straw/dung it'll win out over the grey mold.

If the grey mold is stronger and it likes straw/dung as much as it does BRF, then it'll win and shrooms will never appear.

It's going to be one or the other, but not both. They obviously compete for the space in the jar, they don't mix, so there's no danger of the mycelium getting infused with mold and spreading it to the shrooms (IMHO).

If they grow, they'll be fine. But somehow I think that in this case the mold is gonna win and I'm gonna end up with a grey patch in my friend's yard, or nothing at all.


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Re: TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics) [Re: TM]
    #759387 - 07/19/02 03:34 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I'd imagine molds and contaminations would weaken the mycelium, possibly making it colonize slower. TripMeister, are you using the bagged cow manure you buy from Walmart?
Oh yeah, and you haven't eaten any of the mushrooms yet, have you?

I believe its possible for contaminated mushrooms to sometimes grow large enough to eat. I've only heard stories of people eating 'bad shrooms', from what I hear it isn't too fun.


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Re: TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics) [Re: Mycelium]
    #759400 - 07/19/02 03:44 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

are you using the bagged cow manure you buy from Walmart?




Nope. Horse poo. Brought to boiling with the straw then cooled.

In reply to:

I've only heard stories of people eating 'bad shrooms', from what I hear it isn't too fun.




Stories... Like ummm... Alice in Wonderland for instance?

Hey Moe!!!! How are the shrooms that grow outdoors from contaminated cakes?
Any good?


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Re: TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics) *DELETED* [Re: TM]
    #759746 - 07/19/02 07:14 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics) [Re: WakingUpLate]
    #759826 - 07/19/02 07:53 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

So this theory is all based on an e-mail that the guy who wrote MMGG read once?

And it only applies to high doses causing an alergic reaction.

Gimme a break!

Moe eats 'em, I'll eat 'em! Either Mother Nature will take care of killing the contam's or the mushrooms won't "absorb" them, or I'll get really sick and be sorry I ate 'em. Believe me, I'll let you guys know how they are.


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Re: TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics) *DELETED* [Re: TM]
    #760663 - 07/20/02 01:27 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics) [Re: WakingUpLate]
    #760746 - 07/20/02 03:49 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

Besides that, you've said that there are already mushrooms
growing there. Are any of them poisionous? Could any of em
crossbreed into your mycelia? You bet your ass they could!





nonsense.
different species don't inter-breed.
stop using scare tactics to try
to control others' actions.
never bought into that 'absorbed contam' theory either.
the mmgg is hardly a scientific document.


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Re: TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics) [Re: Hippie3]
    #760755 - 07/20/02 04:01 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

>never bought into that 'absorbed contam' theory either.

BUT.....
Well, I haven?t seen any evidence about this either up to date, and I never tried to eat contaminated fruits either.....

Let?s say the molds produce toxins which are water soluble(an assumption, are they?, don?t know.)
If this is the case, then the mushrooms growing from this area, and absorbing water as they grow, should have some of the toxins in them.
Or am I completely off...?


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Re: TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics) [Re: Anno]
    #760920 - 07/20/02 05:53 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

well, in my opinion,
the key to understanding the core issue revolves around the transportation of toxins from one place, the mold site, to another, the fruit body.
we can assume that at least some molds do give off toxic materials, which would accumulate in the immediate area.
but there is no circulatory system here,
no moving water to dissolve the toxin and take it elsewhere.
the cellular membranes are quite specific about what chemicals get inside the mycellia itself,
so one would have to further assume that
the mycellia percieved the toxin as useful,
as a food source for example,
and internalized it.
there is at least some evidence that this can occur in other shroom species, as certain lignin-eating species have been used to clean up dioxin spills.
but, here's the catch.
even if the cubensis mycellia did internalize a toxin,
it most likely would break it down into other compounds that it uses, much as we digest food.
the long molecular chains would be broken apart by enzymes,
and the pieces would be harmless.
so, it seems pretty safe to conclude that as long as one actually cuts out any contam itself,
and dries the shroom thoroughly,
that the fruitbodies would be safe to eat.
of course, there is a slight risk,
and everyone needs to decide for themselves what's acceptable to them.
that said, i think it would be immoral to share
any shrooms salvaged from a contam'd substrate
with anyone who was ignorant of the source.


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Re: TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics) [Re: Hippie3]
    #760928 - 07/20/02 06:01 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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    #760976 - 07/20/02 06:27 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics) [Re: WakingUpLate]
    #760996 - 07/20/02 06:35 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

In reply to:

Different species
of organisms have been crossbreeding and evolving since
the beginning of time.




dude, pick up a biology book.
the very definition of a species precludes interbreeding
with a different species.
try crossing a dog with a cat.
the dog might fuck the cat,
but there will never be offspring.
as for all the rest,
i've been to plenty of funerals, too.
not a one caused by a contam'd cake tho'.
as for your kids,
take good care of them.
btw, i'm old, too.
no kid here. well into my 40's,
so i'm a survivor too.
with enough sense to live
like an outlaw 30 sum years,
and get away with it.


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Re: TM Does Moe's Outdoor tek (pics) [Re: WakingUpLate]
    #761248 - 07/20/02 08:28 AM (15 years, 3 months ago)

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can remember a guy
(Jaybin)




I read that post. He wasn't in the hospital because of eating a "contaminated mushroom".

In reply to:

I've seen people
swear to never do shrooms again because of a bad trip




So have I ! But it had NOTHING to do with contamination, just to high of a dose!

In reply to:

Could any of em
crossbreed into your mycelia? You bet your ass they could!





Really? Do you think I can't tell P.C. from other mushrooms? Or are you saying that I'll magically get some crossbreed strain? Do you have a clue? Wouldn't it be neat if that's all it took to crossbreed mushrooms?


In reply to:

You think that you just
happen to have the same contamination as Moe does? And
it will affect you the same?





Apparently you don't get it! No matter what the contamination is, it OBVIOUSLY doesn't get into the healthy mushrooms.

Prove to me, beyond a doubt, that contamination in a cake grown outdoors can be "absorbed into a mushroom". And then, I'll listen.


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