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College: Miser of Education?
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I've been struggling with the idea college lately, and so many of my friends aren't attending and I'm green with envy. I know it well help me to earn more in the future, but at what cost? The price seems to be held at my most creative years, all my money, and every cent of my precious time.

This trade seems a little bunk.

So everybody, take the poll, and lets hear your comments.
Is college worth the strife?
Users may choose only one (46 total votes)
Completely
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31 67%
Not at all
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6 13%
It might be in the future, but isn't my thing right now
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9 20%
Votes accepted from 09/24/07 09:52 AM until the end of time


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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: sweetsweet]
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College is very much worth it. Even if you go to a community college or a tech school. Its really hard to find a decent job without a piece of paper. I dropped out in the middle of my sophomore year and ive regretted it ever since. All I do is bust my ass at a restaurant forty hours a week. I dont make nearly enough money.

Ive been out of school for almost a year now and I have saved a little chunk of change but just enough to get myself back into school and try to get my life back on track. I ended up having to live with my parents again, which isnt so bad but my mom babies the shit outta me and i'll be 21 in December. It gets on my nerves a bit, but i'll deal with it for now.

If I could offer one bit of advice, its to at least get a two year degree in something. Your life will be a whole lot easier, I can assure you. Ive been pretty miserable the past year. These are your most creative years, so make sure they are with your friends, trying new things, not sitting in your hometown working 6 days a week. And while this may contradict what ive said, money isnt everything, and a degree is definitely worth whatever you can put into it now.


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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: xaeviax]
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Whats your alternative?

For many, is is working the factory job, drinking their savings away at the local pub, or delivering pizzas during their "most creative years".


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: xaeviax]
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What was your reason for dropping out?

I'm a very academically driven, so I end up shelling all my spare time into schooling, while working 20+ hours a week...I just feel like I should be focusing on my art and creating things. I genuinely feel like I could make something that would hit people like a sack of bricks, and be amazing...but I have no time to really lend myself to the process of artistic struggle.


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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: sweetsweet]
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Stick it  out through college, get into some adventures, get a good job, then you'll have plenty of time to worry about your art instead of worrying about your mortgage. :cheers:


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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: sweetsweet]
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My reason for dropping out was that I went to the wrong school and it started to become way too much for me to handle. Unlike you, im not very academically driven. I also have tremendous problems grasping a second language, as I failed my last two french classes.:confused: Go to a smaller school, most of the community colleges and tech schools around me, from what my friends have said, are basically high school classes. Thats why when I return to school it will be at a tech school.

You can take one or two classes a day four days a week. Your life doesnt have to revolve around school if you dont want it to, and you certainly dont have to finish in two years. You can go part-time and work part-time leaving you some free time to work on your art. Just dont skip the opportunity is all im saying.

Also, why not go to a school that has an awesome art department and get a degree in some form of art. I took two art classes while I was going to college and they were awesome. I know that field may not be the best for finding jobs, but you can always minor in something else. Or major in something else and minor in art.


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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: sweetsweet]
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It's definitely worth the work, although you have to be willing to study and really work and apply yourself to pass and get that little piece of paper out of it.
If you dont think you want to do 4 years, look at what a community college offers, and see what kind of jobs and pay you can get with an associates vs a bachelors vs no degree. (although an associates is still better than no degree, just look at the differences).
If your parents are willing to help or have a place for you to chill when youre not in school, right now might be a lot better than later because in a few years, you probably wont have the complete financial support of your parents, and youll probably have an apartment or a house, and the finanical and work responsibilities thatll make it alot harder to be a student.
Before my degree, i was barely making rent, and struggling with working and going to school at the same time, but after i graduated with a BS, Im able to make 60k+ right out of school my 1st year. I do have friends, however, that decided to not go to school (one in particular that im thinking of became a mechanic for chevy dealerships, and is doing really well at 70k, but theres always an upper limit that you cant break through without some kinda peice of paper that says you passed. If you dont want to do school, have you thought about the miltary?
Just think it throught completely and search for potential jobs and pay rates before you make your final decision.


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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: xaeviax]
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Man, I'm so glad I don't have to worry about all of this career crap.

Oh, and technical schools are a joke in my experience. I have an associate's degree from one and it was a total scam.

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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: RandalFlagg]
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Why dont you have to worry about 'career stuff'?

Yeah, I'm going to community college right now until the winter, but I don't know...it's A LOT cheaper here, but I think I would prosper in a bigger college, so I guess I'll just go balls to the wall in debt at an art school.

Skydog: you make a good point.


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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: sweetsweet]
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You could just take a gap year and decide

I think it's ok, or it has given me a reason to hate it, anyway

You can go to college and still be creative, anyway, if anything, I've never gotten so much writing and reading done


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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
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If you are rich, i.e your parents are rich, then drop out and do whatever (I suggest you head to the nearest airport and travel the world, it's so much fun!). But most likely you are not, so going to college will definitely help you down the road.

IMHO one shouldn't attend college just because they want to earn more in the future, one should attend to do something that one feels passionate about. If you really feel passionate about something, going to college can only help you to be more passionate about that thing.


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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: sweetsweet]
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It's an investment. You won't have to worry about "chance" luck or compete for jobs slightly above illegals. But in 20-30 years the Bachelor's degree will probably take the way of the high school diploma in its worth.

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Why dont you have to worry about 'career stuff'?


He lives with his mom.

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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: sweetsweet]
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Does nobody value knowledge for the sake of knowledge?:nonono:

There is more to college than getting a big paycheck.  You learn things that make you a better, more well rounded individual.  This will make every endeavor in your life better, not just your job.

edit- maybe I spoke too soon.  It appears that most people do think college in worth the strife.  And thats with a sample population that, I would assume, it more hostile to college than the general public.

Edited by Qubit (09/24/07 05:50 PM)

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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: DieCommie]
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go to college...seriously. I attend college and I have ONLY heard older folk tell me to stick with it. NOBODY I have met 30+ says college is worthless and most of them wish they went. You do not want to regret that the rest of your life knowing you could make more out of it. And wasting creative years? Its will be work or school....either way you will be spending a lot of time doing things you dont want to. stick with it.

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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: Tangerines]
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if money is an issue take your first two years in a community college and then transfer to a 4-year...For most degrees the first two years are the same as they would be in a 4 year as they would in a two year..

And also so long as you maintain a 3.0 gpa in 2 year college most 4 years will always accept you into there college.

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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: jccc]
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if you have a plan and stick to it, college can be worth it in that afterwards, you will be qualified to get higher paying jobs. You really have to have a specific career in mind and tailor your education to getting that job. Going into college without a clue as to why you're there is a bad idea, ad will probably result in you having a worthless degree that doesn't help you at all.

Even if you do end up with an education that doesn't get you anywhere, at least you have the experience of going to college. A philosophy degree may not get you out of the retail job market, but it may still positively influence your outlook on life.

that being said, I think college is over-rated. I know many people who have invested that same time and money into starting a business, or building a music studio, or whatever, and have come out way ahead of the average college graduate.

colleges, I think are more than ever just day-cares for 18+ rich kids who still havent grown up enough to be in the real world. Having a college degree in no way makes you more likely to be a success in life, and it sure as hell doesn't prepare you for the 'real world'. Colleges offer a lot of degree plans that don't really lead to good jobs, but they'll still take your tuition money anyway. Its like Devry or ITT tech. College can be a big scam, where you go way into debt and then can't pay it back because you aren't qualified for a decent job afterwards.


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"America touts itself as the land of the free, but the number one freedom that you and I have is the freedom to enter into a subservient role in the workplace. Once you exercise this freedom you've lost all control over what you do, what is produced, and how it is produced. And in the end, the product doesn't belong to you. The only way you can avoid bosses and jobs is if you don't care about making a living. Which leads to the second freedom: the freedom to starve."

- Tom Morello

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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: wps]
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well I am getting a metalurgical engineering degree. I sort of NEED to go to school for that.

Edited by Tangerines (09/24/07 06:58 PM)

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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: sweetsweet]
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how can you think envious of those that do not go to college man?

people cross oceans, leave their families, go broke, all to go to college in the states. there is definitely a reason.

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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: wps]
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wps said:
Having a college degree in no way makes you more likely to be a success in life,


I wouldn't listen to this guy, statistically he's quite wrong.

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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: TheCow]
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depending on your definition of success. If you mean getting a high paying job then yea. if having a job you are happy with and content with everything then no.

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