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downforpot
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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: Tangerines]
#7448650 - 09/24/07 06:26 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Morons can't make LSD. FACT.
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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: DieCommie]
#7448654 - 09/24/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: Does nobody value knowledge for the sake of knowledge?
There is more to college than getting a big paycheck. You learn things that make you a better, more well rounded individual. This will make every endeavor in your life better, not just your job.
edit- maybe I spoke too soon. It appears that most people do think college in worth the strife. And thats with a sample population that, I would assume, it more hostile to college than the general public.
You are mistaken. I love learning and going to school, but truth be told, I'm familiar with ALL of the curriculum in my courses as is, and isn't looking too promising for the future. I'm not a know it all, but my classes seem to be dumbed down, and plus I read books at home like a fucking maniac. I taught myself more than I've learned in school. It's not that anyways, it's the fact that I'm broke as all hell, my parents aren't helping me with college, I'm working 20 hours a week at a minimum wage job, my car breaks down every week or two, and have no time to do what I really love to do.
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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: Tangerines]
#7450534 - 09/25/07 04:42 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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Tangerines said: depending on your definition of success. If you mean getting a high paying job then yea. if having a job you are happy with and content with everything then no.
Actually I bet statistically you are still wrong
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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: sweetsweet]
#7450556 - 09/25/07 05:07 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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sweetsweet said: I'm a very academically driven, so I end up shelling all my spare time into schooling, while working 20+ hours a week...I just feel like I should be focusing on my art and creating things. I genuinely feel like I could make something that would hit people like a sack of bricks, and be amazing...but I have no time to really lend myself to the process of artistic struggle.
i think you need to open your eyes to what life in the 21st century without a college degree means. if you want a struggle, drop out of school. you will have a few very easy years while your friends labor and study in college. then they will get out and, more than likely, find a job they dive into. all the time, you will be having an easy time, hanging out with friends, doing a little work, and generally having a great time. you wont accumulate much in terms material possessions, but that is ok in your book. you make art and spend a lot of time enjoying life. then you meet the person you will marry. you fall head of heels in love and are very happy together. she works as a waitress and is awful cute. you either work in a restaurant or maybe doing a bit of computer work for a local repair shop. you get married. life is good. you have a cool little apartment in the city. a little black dog. life owns. you get pregnant with your first baby. you have to quit your job at the computer place to find a manufacturing job because you need benefits to pay for the baby delivery, but all in all, life kicks much ass. you are a happy little family. wife quits working at 8 months pregnant. it's ok, though, because you squirreled away a month of her paychecks over the last 5 months. baby is born and you see the most beautiful thing you've ever laid eyes on. it is your baby boy. you figure out that the money mom makes waiting tables is about equal to what day care costs in the city, so you move to an apartment complex away from the city a bit... maybe close to an old mall. 3 years pass like this. you wife gets pregnant again. it's ok, though, because you have benefits at your manufacturing job. now flash forward a year. you get to watch your first son go off to school. you and mom cry a bit at the realization of how fast your children grow up. you have to pick up overtime at work to make ends meet because you were a fucking dumbass during your college years and decided that hanging out 'doing art' (which you can do in college) was more important than studying. the life i described isnt a bad one, millions of people have lived it, but why not give yourself and your children every option in life?
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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: automan]
#7450672 - 09/25/07 06:18 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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I am a girl so...abortion. But yeah, I know I need to stick with it...there really isn't another option. It's just a really frustrating situation. Especially when making comparisons.
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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: TheCow]
#7451355 - 09/25/07 10:59 AM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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wps said: Having a college degree in no way makes you more likely to be a success in life,
I wouldn't listen to this guy, statistically he's quite wrong.
yeah, but you've got to acknowledge that a lot of older people are in those stats... having a 4 year degree meant more for the baby boomers than it does for us.
these days, you need a professional degree. masters or higher. A bachelor's is like the new High School diploma. Its the bare minimum employers expect just to get an entry level position, and even then they want experience also. And once you get that job, if you want to move up, you need that masters. So my advice is go for the PhD from the start, or don't go at all.
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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: wps]
#7451922 - 09/25/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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So you are saying that at a bare minimum one needs a college degree. So in your opinion it's necessary to get at least a bachelors. And you dont need a PhD or Masters to move up, that is pure silliness. If you want to do experimental research in engineering or pure science Id recommend those, but otherwise its not as important. Maybe an MBA would help if you want to move more quickly into business. I am personally going for a PhD however
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Re: College: Miser of Education? [Re: TheCow]
#7451954 - 09/25/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago) |
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And you'll find that even with a Ph.D. it is intensely competitive. This is why they have these wonderful "post-doc" positions. A Ph.D. level scientist will start at about 37K as a post-doc, certainly an indication a degree is no gaurantee for a high salary (although they do increase substantially afterwards).
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