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What is advanced cultivation?
    #732919 - 07/09/02 04:48 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: ]
    #732989 - 07/09/02 05:53 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Before you ask those questions you have to ask :

1. Did you grow mushroom already ?

2. Do you have enough knowlodge to grow them without a guide ?

3. Do you know wich is the specific purpose of each material involved in the process ?

Anyway, what i think is important to make a new thread is to have a good background knowlodge and search the forum to see if things were already debated. Your questions are applied to people that knows its stuff, not newbies, you don't have to be a genius to post in this forum, anyone that has grown mushrooms can post asking for help if the answer hasn't been found elsewhere.
I compare this forum as a school class, you can only pass at the exame if you studied and know how to answer, if you miss school there's no need to make the exame because you'll fail, now newbies can't make the exame like half the semester or at the beginning, so you can't post if you miss school, sort of.
Some of your questions could be answered "yes" by a newbie, you don't even know all the crazy stuff some invent, last one i've read was treating a not even germinated cake with bleach to kill a contam, sounds stupit, it's stupid but it's a new idea, where's the background knowlodge if you know what i mean.

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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: MAIA]
    #733014 - 07/09/02 06:13 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: ]
    #733628 - 07/09/02 10:11 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

Yes, i know bleach can be used to fight contams of a colonized substrate, i'm talking about using it without germination or no mycellium thus killing the spores.
Say, you have worked with gyms already, sounds interesting, i've eard it's harder to cultivate them, found some at my little forest last year in the wild and stored a print, i did never try it, have you ever make them grow ?

Peace,
MAIA


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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: MAIA]
    #733739 - 07/09/02 10:58 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: ]
    #733793 - 07/09/02 11:17 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I think most newbies have the belief that if they post a question in advanced cultivation will be answered by more intelligent people. Newbies, this is not true. If you post a stupid question in advanced cultivation, you're question will go unanswered, and you may be flamed and looked down upon.

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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #733814 - 07/09/02 11:26 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: ]
    #734211 - 07/09/02 02:30 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

"Then again, I wasn't interested in getting high, just learning about fungus. "
That, quite simply, is the real difference between this forum and many (most) of the others, gormet and hunting being the other forums dominated by a general enjoyment in the art of mycology.


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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: DinoMyc]
    #734348 - 07/09/02 03:13 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: ]
    #735043 - 07/09/02 08:14 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

In reply to:

1. Does it involve ideas that are previously unknown?
2. Does it involve procedures that are untried?
3. Does it involve propagating a mushroom that the growth parameters have not been published?
4. Does it involve long complicated procedures?



hmmm, these seem more like the rules for our (nonexistent) experimental cultivation of unknown species forum.
IMO "advanced cultivation" is cultivation that is a step or 2 past "basic cultivation", eg it has "advanced" beyond PF tek or simple casings. eg species other than cubensis, agar work, all those other more far out thingies.
I don't see how, eg, pasteurisation or composting could be considered "advanced" by any serious mycologist, but I don't think basic mush cult is the place for it.
Maybe we should create a "super advanced: elitists only" forum for our more sensitive members?
Not that stoopid n00bs asking stoopid "Q'z" don't annoy me, but I think adv, cult. has been getting just a bit too holier than thou lately.
eg. the "what makes pans abort?", or whatever, post.
Maybe not a terribly advanced question, but the only chance of gettting it answered in the mush cult forum was if some ?bermann from here happened to be lowering themselves in that pitiful forum
pfft, that is all...


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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: ]
    #735356 - 07/10/02 12:09 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

my meaning for advanced cultivation:

  • Cultivation of not common species, like rare psilocybes etc.
  • new ingredients used as substitute of common materials used in mushroom cultivation (2 examples: the honey water and the coir as casing material)
  • agar work (isolating strains, culture cleaning etc.)
  • bulk growing, including pasteurization and compost preparation teks.
  • casings (i know...this isn't really advanced but considering the level of the questions asked in the basic cultivation....
  • advanced terrariums setups (with air entrainment, heating etc)


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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: Champion des Champignons]
    #735656 - 07/10/02 05:07 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: CLuB99]
    #735662 - 07/10/02 05:10 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: ]
    #736618 - 07/10/02 11:20 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

I agree with that sentiment.
I speak only for myself, but I am only human. I will not close threads I should and close those I should not from time to time. If this does happen, and someone complains, I will probably undo my mistake.
I think that the only real difference should be a little research and a good amount of experience. As I quoted you before, once you are not just interested in getting high but in mycology itself, then this is the right place to post. Look at the wonderful posts involving cultivation of new species, applied non standard fruiting methods (see una's recient post), and other new ideas/special events here.
enjoy your day


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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: DinoMyc]
    #736869 - 07/10/02 01:30 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: ]
    #737505 - 07/10/02 05:46 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

"However, many discoveries have been made by those whose primary interest was the entheogenic properties."
True, but many of these people had an admirable desire to learn about the mushroom itself..
Case and point: Staments, Mckenna, Gartz, Wasson (very high in my books of respect), etc. etc... only a few (leary et al) have mishandled themselves on a grand scale..
As to those who only care about getting high, I'm not saying they have nothing to offer.. Just that, in a fuzzy logic sense, they rarely do.
The image of the utterly high stoner who could not grow rocks and could only kill a lichen, but has a Cannibus Sativa/Indica garden beyond compare comes to mind...


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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: DinoMyc]
    #739358 - 07/11/02 12:06 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: ]
    #743950 - 07/13/02 03:29 PM (21 years, 9 months ago)

In think that common sense is key when posting to forums...unfortunately many don't hold these beliefs and ruin the fun of others. I believe that there are many stupid questions being asked...or more than being stupid are perhaps redundant...most of what is posted or questions that are asked have already been posted or asked. Long before signing up I read pretty much read all of the posts religiously, starting with the old ones. This enabled me to really start out with a good base, added to what I already knew...then ask questions or dispense my knowledge based opinions...everyone should do this. There are far to many people out there who find some shrivelled up mushrooms growing from dung...they want to get high that night and ask "are these the cool ones", allthough I do answer stupid questions intelligently from time to time, I have had to work to damn hard learning what I know, to help some kid who knows nothing get high...or tell him after he ate the shrooms already and then asks if they are cool...that they are indeed magic...ummm Amanita pantherina I believe. Real good trip those.

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Re: What is advanced cultivation? [Re: StInvetroThomas]
    #744836 - 07/14/02 05:01 AM (21 years, 9 months ago)

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