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Re: Turtles don't age [Re: Disco Cat]
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Disco Cat said:
If you find ignorance better than awareness that means you have issues that need to be worked out and you're running from them. If you don't have issues to work out and everything is fine with your mind, then becoming ignorant is nothing but a loss.



We will ALWAYS have issues to be worked out. These will NEVER go away, no matter how aware you are. Awareness can sometimes = depression. That's why our generation is labeled the depressed generation. More access to information.

As to JewUnit, I understand what you all are saying. I'm just arguing with it. It's more of a science fiction argument, and I am looking at it from a socoiological point of view as well.

It seems to me that the idea of living forever seems like an answer to your problems, ie more time to experience life. However, if you look at our lives to the core, you will see that our minds do run on a biological clock and that helps to keep things going and gives us motivation to achieve. It gets the disillusioned teenager off the couch and employed and the middle aged accountant to seek adventure. Itt allows us all to strive for happiness. Because we all know that there is only so much more time left and no time to waste. All of a sudden, a change up in that way of thinking? We'd all be in big trouble.

I am sure it would be an option for people who don't want to do it. Slowing down aging is a very real possibility coming up. They have found the gene that causes aging. They can make it so we live our years 25-65 and stretch those years out over a spans of hundreds of years. (saw that in a documentary) It comes from research of these people. They have accelerated aging during early childhood.

http://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=2287880&page=1


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Re: Turtles don't age [Re: DrCamacho89]
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A longer life wouldn't be the answer to my "problems", my main motivation for this argument is to argue, although I have changed my opinion about this since jumping in.

Wouldn't you think the same ideas about death providing motivation would apply to our increased life expectancy that is due to medical advances compared to past cultures? Surely you are against such advances, as well.


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Re: Turtles don't age [Re: Disco Cat]
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Disco Cat said:
Ignorance is not bliss, it's denial. Whoever came up with that line was ignorant, and therefore could not be an authority on whether ignorance = bliss or not.




Seemed like a smart guy to me.  :shrug:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gray


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Re: Turtles don't age [Re: jewunit]
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Against medical advances? Absolutely not. I even support mental medication to help take our species to the next level of thinking. I just don't like the idea of disrupting the natural flow of life so drastically.

The old saying goes "If it aint broke, don't fix it". I agree with that in this situation.


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Re: Turtles don't age [Re: Disco Cat]
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Humans have co-evolved with the entire planet, Earth's web of life, to live for about a century. Maybe you could stretch that out to 150 years, perhaps 200 years at the outset.

We are a web of life, home to trillions of sets of DNA. You cannot live without your web of life. Living "forever" is highly speculative and assumes that our web of life could support us for that long. Repairing cell damage is just the tip of the iceberg. Further, space travel requires us to bring along all of the things living inside of and on us and insure that they are regenerated. Without vast technological advancements, we need Earth to live.

Having said all that, what you might be thinking of is abandoning your body and becoming part machine. Have at it, but I want no part of it.

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Re: Turtles don't age [Re: DrCamacho89]
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DrCamacho89 said:
Disco Cat said:
Ignorance is not bliss, it's denial. Whoever came up with that line was ignorant, and therefore could not be an authority on whether ignorance = bliss or not.




Seemed like a smart guy to me.  :shrug:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gray



Ok, I looked him up. It would be an ignorant statement, except he's using it poetically and not literally. Highly ironically tho, the bliss he's talking about is youth. He's saying that it's blissful to be ignorant of growing old  :lol:



Lo, in the vale of years beneath
    A grisly troop are seen,
The painful family of Death,
    More hideous than their Queen:
This racks the joints, this fires the veins,
That every labouring sinew strains,
    Those in the deeper vitals rage:
Lo, Poverty, to fill the band,
That numbs the soul with icy hand,
    And slow-consuming Age.

To each his sufferings: all are men,
    Condemned alike to groan,
The tender for another's pain;
    The unfeeling for his own.
Yet ah! why should they know their fate?
Since sorrow never comes too late,
    And happiness too swiftly flies.
Thought would destroy their paradise.
No more; where ignorance is bliss,
    'Tis folly to be wise.

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Re: Turtles don't age [Re: Disco Cat]
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Ignorance is bliss, but I'd rather be miserable than dumb.


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Re: Turtles don't age [Re: AlCapwn]
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If you're miserable then it's because you're ignorant of a greater truth that would bring you peace and satisfaction.

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Re: Turtles don't age [Re: Disco Cat]
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I dont like the idea of immortality. When people die its so hard on those who are still alive. If death is a rarity then it will be even more difficult to overcome someone passing away.

And what about mental illnesses like alzheimer's? What point is there to living past 100 when you are too mentally handicap to appreciate this happy accident we call life?


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Re: Turtles don't age [Re: Disco Cat]
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Here's an interesting fact: humans can regrow basically any part of their body, just like some lizards do. But this ability of our goes dormant by the time of birth.


umm whered u get that info.....i know people are studying lizard, spiders, and other animals for this kinda research....but i never heard that we have this ability but it went dormaint before birth......


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Re: Turtles don't age [Re: FoURtWeNTy420]
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http://www.wesleyjsmith.com/blog/2007/02/growing-new-fingers-from-pig-matrix.html

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The Wall Street Journal (no link available) reports that scientists are treating wounded Iraqi War veterans with a substance from pigs that seems to resurrect the ability to regenerate organs and other body parts--an ability possessed by fetuses but lost after birth. In this case, the scientists hope to regenerate parts of fingers the soldiers lost. From the story




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Re: Turtles don't age [Re: Disco Cat]
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Disco Cat said:
Ok, I looked him up. It would be an ignorant statement, except he's using it poetically and not literally. Highly ironically tho, the bliss he's talking about is youth. He's saying that it's blissful to be ignorant of growing old  :lol:



Lo, in the vale of years beneath
    A grisly troop are seen,
The painful family of Death,
    More hideous than their Queen:
This racks the joints, this fires the veins,
That every labouring sinew strains,
    Those in the deeper vitals rage:
Lo, Poverty, to fill the band,
That numbs the soul with icy hand,
    And slow-consuming Age.

To each his sufferings: all are men,
    Condemned alike to groan,
The tender for another's pain;
    The unfeeling for his own.
Yet ah! why should they know their fate?
Since sorrow never comes too late,
    And happiness too swiftly flies.
Thought would destroy their paradise.
No more; where ignorance is bliss,
    'Tis folly to be wise.



I was making a point.  I'll be more direct.    You WILL have to deal with the fact that you're losing your mind.  It's how you hold it together that makes you a man.  Not living forever. 

Do not be afraid of death, pussies!  Just live your god damn life.


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