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Windows Vista Media Player!!!
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doesn support MP3 files? wtf!..

anyone know of a good media player for music.. i like VLC for movies, but i want somethiing only for my music and that supports .mp3


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Re: Windows Vista Media Player!!! [Re: Banez]
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doesn support MP3 files? wtf!..

I tried to warn you guys months ago that Vista is DRM ready at the hardware level and will make your coping life miserable. :shrug:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Windows Vista Media Player!!! [Re: Diploid]
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well i bought a new laptop that already had this shit installed on it.. i didnt upgrade or anything.. so far the not supporting .mp3 files is the only complaint i have.. ill just find an alternative media player, its not a HUGE deal, just a little inconvient.


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Re: Windows Vista Media Player!!! [Re: Diploid]
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Wow, I never heard that.

Thats fucking sad. Screw Microsoft, those bastards. One more reason and a very large reason at that to switch to Linux.

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Re: Windows Vista Media Player!!! [Re: despisedicon]
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Uh, doesn't "DRM ready at the hardware level" make whatever software choice you make irrelevant?

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Re: Windows Vista Media Player!!! [Re: Banez]
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I had VLC installed on it, worked fine

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Re: Windows Vista Media Player!!! [Re: RoosterCogburn]
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You can still install Winamp and it'll play MP3, but things like outputing pure digital outputs of DRM-containing media won't work. Or so says Microsoft.


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Windows Vista Media Player!!! [Re: Diploid]
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I dunno, I did everything I wanted to do..DVD decrypter, bootlegs, burning them, etc


I had it for a bit, Vista was lame

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Re: Windows Vista Media Player!!! [Re: Boom]
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That worked because DVD DRM has been broken, but if you buy music or a video from a Vista-DRM-equipped online store, you'll only be able to play it if your PC has Vista-approved hardware in video and sound. The combination will restrict all output of that content to analog only.

It's a good thing that DVD and now High Def DVD and Blue Ray DRM have been broken (thank you boneheaded recording industry execs who don't understand encryption) but Vista can still make a copy queen's life miserable. :tongue:


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Windows Vista Media Player!!! [Re: Diploid]
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ahh


So their plan is to only cripple legitimate media :lol:



Smooooth

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Re: Windows Vista Media Player!!! [Re: Boom]
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Vista crippled by content protection

By Chris Mellor, Techworld

PC users around the globe may find driver software is stopped from working by Vista if it detects unauthorised content access. Peter Guttman, a security engineering researcher at New Zealand's university of Auckland, has written A Cost Analysis of Windows Vista Content Protection. He reckons Vista is trying to achieve the impossible by protecting access to premium content. Users will find their PCs' compromised by the persistent and continuous content access checks carried out by Vista.

Gutman thinks these checks and the associated increased in multimedia card hardware costs make Vista's content protection specification 'the longest suicide note in history.'

The core elements in Vista have been designed to protect access to premium content. The design requires changes in multimedia cards before Microsoft will support them for Vista use.

Content that is protected by digital rights management (DRM) must be sent across protected interfaces. This means cards using non-protected interfaces can't be used by Vista PCs.

Disabling and degrading

Vista is disadvantaging high-end audio and video systems by openly disabling devices. The most common high-end audio output interface is S/PDIF (Sony/Philips Digital Interface Format) which doesn't have any content protection. It must be disabled in a Vista system when DRM-protected content is being played. Equally a high-end component video interface (YPbPr) also has no content protection and must be disabled when protected video is being played.

- Vista covertly degrades playback quality. PC voice communications rely on automatic echo cancellation (AEC) in order to provide acceptable voice quality. This requires feeding back a sample of the audio mix into the echo cancellation subsystem, which isn't permitted by Vista's content protection scheme. This lowers PC voice communication quality because echo affects will still be present.

- This overt and covert degrading of quality is dynamic, not consistent. Whenever any audio derived from premium content is played on a Vista PC, the disabling of output devices and downgrading of signal quality takes place. If the premium content then fades away the outputs are re-enabled and signal quality climbs back up. Such system behaviour today indicates a driver error. With Vista it will be normal behaviour.

- Vista has another playback quality reduction measure. It requires that 'any interface that provides high-quality output degrade the signal quality that passes through it if premium content is present. This is done through a "constrictor" that downgrades the signal to a much lower-quality one, then up-scales it again back to the original spec, but with a significant loss in quality.' If this happens with a medical imaging application then artifacts introduced by the constrictor can 'cause mis-diagnoses and in extreme cases even become life-threatening.'

CPU cycle guzzling

The O/S will use much more of a PC's CPU resource because 'Vista's content protection requires that devices (hardware and software drivers) set so-called "tilt bits" if they detect anything unusual ... Vista polls video devices on each video frame displayed in order to check that all of the grenade pins (tilt bits) are still as they should be.'

Also 'In order to prevent tampering with in-system communications, all communication flows have to be encrypted and/or authenticated. For example content sent to video devices has to be encrypted with AES-128.' Encryption/decryption is known to be CPU-intensive

Device drivers in Vista are required to poll their underlying hardware every 30ms - thirty times a second - to ensure that everything appears correct.

It is apparent that Vista is going to use very much more of a PC's resources than previous versions of Windows and degrade multi-media playback quality unless the user has purchased premium content from a Microsoft-approved resource.

Such over-reaching by Microsoft could prove to be the catalyst needed to spur increased takeup of Linux desktop operating software, or of Apple's Mac OS.

techworld.com


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Republican Values:

1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.

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Re: Windows Vista Media Player!!! [Re: Banez]
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Banez said:
doesn support MP3 files? wtf!..

anyone know of a good media player for music.. i like VLC for movies, but i want somethiing only for my music and that supports .mp3


Use winamp. Non intrusive and plays mp3s, that's all I ask for.


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Re: Windows Vista Media Player!!! [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
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yeah i decided to say fuck it and just use VLC.. it has no organization functions but oh well..

my battery for my laptop gets extremely fucking hot, not the battery itself, but the charger.. i dont know what the deal is with that.


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Re: Windows Vista Media Player!!! [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
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i use winamp too, works great and is a small install

peace

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