entityexperiment said:

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it has been shown to be no different then having a mother and a father.

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So show?

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Get your head out of your ass

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  You need to chill.  I had a lot to say on the matter, but I simply wanted to keep this topic on the right track.  I hate it when people debate and say shit like "it's proven" but never provide actualy information.

I was simply keeping this a proper debate so go chew on some more dick

LukeMWSki said:

^ just as soon as my bf gets home

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That's your choice, i'm not gonna hate on you for it

But I don't like you simply because you were so quick to get defensive and jump down someone's throat when I simply said "so show?".  It keeps things properly on track, when providing articles with such statements as yours and will limit the amount of times the opposition tries to do the same.

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But who gives a shit. People should quit breeding anyway.

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I don't give a shit, but was asked my opinion on the subject.    Yes I'm anti-gay, but doesn't mean I have hate on any.  I've hung out with people who are gay and people are people.

And that's one good thing, gay people can't breed anyway

entityexperiment said:

LukeMWSki said:

^ just as soon as my bf gets home

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That's your choice, i'm not gonna hate on you for it

But I don't like you simply because you were so quick to get defensive and jump down someone's throat when I simply said "so show?".  It keeps things properly on track, when providing articles with such statements as yours and will limit the amount of times the opposition tries to do the same.

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entityexperiment said:

Everyone makes their own choices and just because I don't agree doesn't mean I have to hate on them. I make choices in my life that other people wouldn't agree with either and I don't like being hated on for it.

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it has been shown to be no different then having a mother and a father.

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you were so quick to get defensive and jump down someone's throat

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Hahahah you seriously think people choose to be gay?

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entityexperiment said:

... I don't care what anyone says to me, it's not natural and it's not right. I PERSONALLY feel it's a by-product condition of our fucked up society. No one could ever convince me a person is born gay.

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Now one is trying to deprive you of the right to dislike that which is different than you, but your stated reasons for dislike are clearly false and worthy of be demonstrated as such.

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My stated reasons are just what I feel, whether it's right or wrong seems irrelevant.  There are tons of articles arguing either side so I'm not "CLEARLY false".  I'm not alone in the fact I think people aren't born gay.  So the many of us are CLEARLY false?  nah, I don't think so.  I think it's hard to say.  I can never know for sure.  But it's purely opinion.  From all the articles I've read, including such articles as you posted, nothing proves to me a person is born gay.

That's neither here nor there though, I've been in "gay debates" before on this site and I came in here simply to say "yes, I'm anti-gay, but I don't hate on gay people".

http://www.family.org/lifechallenges/A000000348.cfm

"Can someone be born a homosexual? In 1993, a respected research journal, Science, published a study by Dean Hamer that ignited an explosive “born gay” myth. Hamer basically claimed that science was “on the verge of proving that homosexuality is innate, genetic and therefore unchangeable—a normal variant of human nature.”9

The media went ballistic. National Public Radio, Newsweek, The Wall Street Journal and several other news publications and programs heralded stories that suggested scientists have discovered a “gay gene.” Of course, in the fine print, reporters qualified statements about this possible discovery because, in reality, there was no actual discovery—but they did so in such a confusing manner! The public was beginning to be persuaded.

Why is it so important for some homosexual activists to prove this issue? Maybe the biggest possible reason is this: If the world was convinced that some people are indeed born gay, then some would feel there is a need to protect homosexuals by the government as a designated minority class status, such as African- or Native-Americans. Slowly but surely, it seems the government is embracing this view and granting special rights to the homosexual community for what is a behaviorally based identity rather than a true genetic one"

"The scientific attempts to demonstrate that homosexual attraction is biologically determined have failed. For example, a study conducted in 1991 by psychologist Michael Bailey and psychiatrist Richard Pillard, attempted to show that homosexuality occurs more frequently among identical twins than fraternal twins. However, this study actually provides support for environmental factors versus genetics! If homosexuality were in the genetic code, then both of the twins would have been homosexual 100 percent of the time, yet this was not the case.10

The well-known Simon LeVay brain study of 1991, which tried to find differences in the hypothalamuses (a very small part of the brain) of homosexual and heterosexual men, found no evidence that there is any genetic cause for homosexuality. Nothing in the study showed that gay men are born that way.11 Other prominent researchers have concluded that there is no evidence to support a biological theory, but rather that homosexuality could be best explained by an alternative model where “temperamental and personality traits interact with the familial and social milieu as the individual’s sexuality emerges.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality#Biology

"Several recent studies, including pioneering work by neuroscientist Simon LeVay, demonstrate that there are notable differences between the physiology of a heterosexual male and a homosexual male. These differences are primarily noted in the brain, inner ear and olfactory sense. LeVay discovered in his double-blind experiment that the average size of the INAH-3 in the brains of homosexual men was significantly smaller than the average size in heterosexual male brains.[7] Some people have interpreted this as showing that some people are born homosexual; however, in LeVay's own words:

'It's important to stress what I didn't find. I did not prove that homosexuality was genetic, or find a genetic cause for being gay. I didn't show that gay men are born that way, the most common mistake people make in interpreting my work. Nor did I locate a gay center in the brain. INAH-3 is less likely to be the sole gay nucleus of the brain than a part of a chain of nuclei engaged in men and women's sexual behavior...Since I looked at adult brains we don't know if the differences I found were there at birth, or if they appeared later'"

http://www.equip.org/free/DH055-1.htm

"The most recent research suggesting that homosexuality may be caused by biological factors came out in 1991 with the publication of some preliminary findings of Dr. Simon LeVay, a neuroscientist at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in San Diego. His research consisted of studying the brains of 41 cadavers, including 19 homosexual males. He found that "a tiny area believed to control sexual activity [the hypothalamus] was less than half the size in the gay men than in the heterosexuals."22

This study was seized upon by many as "irrefutable evidence" that homosexuals are born gay, something the homosexual community has been proclaiming for many years. However, "instead of resolving the debate," a Newsweek article suggests, "the studies may well have intensified it. Some scientists profess not to be surprised at all by LeVay's finding of brain differences. 'Of course it [sexual orientation] is in the brain,' says Johns Hopkins University psychologist John Money, sometimes called the dean of American sexologists. 'The real question is, when did it get there? Was it prenatal, neonatal, during childhood, puberty? That we do not know.'"23

Other problems with his findings include: (1) all 19 of the homosexual men had died of AIDS, something that many researchers believe could very well account for or contribute to the differences; (2) there was no way to know the sexual history of the "heterosexual" men; (3) there is no way to determine if the smaller hypothalamuses were the cause or the result of homosexuality; and (4) Dr. LeVay, a homosexual himself, admitted that his study was not entirely a dispassionate scientific endeavor."

I'm not saying I proved anything, but I'm just making a point...I'm not "clearly false" of anything.

It's just an opinion bud and no harm was meant by it.

I'm not here to debate, I've done that one to many times in the past and no matter who has what to say, in the end, everyone runs around in circles.

The point is, even though I don't believe in it, I don't have a problem with it either.  Someone could say I was "born" with a predisposition to drink like a fish like everyone else in my family....a "drunk gene" if you will   Some studies say they "prove" well others say the opposite.  I think it's bullshit myself.  But getting back to the point, I know there's many people who don't agree with a lifestyle I live and hating on me is not appreciated.

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The point is, even though I don't believe in it, I don't have a problem with it either.

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Okay, you don't have a problem with it.  Great.  Just passing my totally individual, and unique subjective experience along.