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Libertarians.......from Mr.Medved
    #6521643 - 02/02/07 12:32 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I listen to this guys radio show from time to time. I like his debating skills, however, he has shown a blind allegiance to the Republican party, and displayed a quite disparaging elitism in this article. He says that "Losertians should espouse their views within the Republican party, rather then go forward within their own" (paraphrased from his radio commentary)


Although I am not a Libertarian, I find their ideology close to what I think America is. Shame on him for talking trash, simply because it does not fit his agenda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


http://michaelmedved.townhall.com/blog/g/08f6d919-a42a-4008-9ac4-43f68eb82820/


Tuesday, January 30, 2007
That's Why We Call Them "Loser-tarians"
Posted by: Michael Medved at 5:00 AM



It’s late on Monday night, and I’ve just spent several hours researching and organizing my upcoming Townhall column “Victory Lessons from Ronald Reagan” (to honor Reagan’s birthday, February 6th).

One odd little fact captured my attention, but it didn’t really fit into the column; instead, I’ll share it here with all those who can appreciate a strange but significant piece of political trivia.

When Reagan won the Presidency in 1980, crushing the incumbent Jimmy Carter 51% to 41%, he not only overcame a third party vanity race by a former Republican Congressman named John Anderson (his “Independent” Party drew 6.6% of the vote), but he also triumphed over by far the strongest Libertarian Party candidate in Presidential history.

Amazingly enough, Ed Clark, the Libertarian standard bearer, won almost a million votes (921,188) for 1.06% of the total.

To rational observers, a national campaign that wins only 1% of the vote looks pointless and pathetic, but by Libertarian standards the Clark campaign represented a veritable juggernaut, and the party’s breathtaking summit of achievement. Clark’s performance more than doubled all subsequent Libertarian nominees, even though some of them (like two time loser Harry Browne) raised and spent far more money for their sad little races. In terms of their percentage of the popular vote, Libertarian presidential candidates since the high-water mark of 1980 have drawn between 0.24% (David Bergland in 1984) and 0.5 (Harry Browne in his first race of 1996). Most recently, that burning hunk of unstoppable charisma Michael Bednarik earned a paltry 0.3% of the popular vote – less than one-third the showing that Ed Clark managed 24 years earlier.

The point isn’t merely that the Loser-tarian Party has moved decisively in the wrong direction (you don’t build majorities by losing two-thirds of your voters), it’s that they happened to succeed best against the finest conservative candidate in recent history.

In other words, the Libertarians lie or at least delude themselves when they claim that they will win votes by drawing people who are disillusioned with both big government Democrats and me-too Republicans. They drew more votes when running against the unequivocally conservative Ronald Reagan than they did against the likes of Bob Dole, either President Bush, or Gerald Ford for that matter.

Thus, the argument that they are pushing the Republican Party in a more conservative direction by taking away votes of die-hard conservatives is, like so much else about the Libertarian Party, a complete fraud.

If Republicans ever became worried about defections to the lunatic fringe represented by the Loser-tarians, they should be sure to nominate relative moderates like Dole, Ford or the first President Bush. If Libertarians do best against Reagan then, if anything, their misguided political activism would lead Republicans to move toward the center, not to the right. When you move to the right, and nominate a strong conservative, it seems as if the Libertarians only take more of your votes.

Of course, in the real world, neither Republicans nor anyone else need concern himself with the fortunes of the Libertarians. In 2008, these odd-ball adventurers will no doubt enjoy yet another election cycle of futility and fatuity. They stand little chance of ever-again reaching the glorious total of 1.06% they achieved against Reagan. And their relative success in gunning for the Gipper should in no way deter Republicans from fielding a candidate next time who best exemplifies the Reagan tradition and who can, in the true Reagan spirit, chuckle good-naturedly at the pitiful exertions of fifth party losers.


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Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
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And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
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Re: Libertarians.......from Mr.Medved [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6521665 - 02/02/07 12:36 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

what an asshole. The Republicans were quick to marginalize Libertarians when they didn't need them, but this next election is up in the air so of course they want them back.


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Re: Libertarians.......from Mr.Medved [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6522063 - 02/02/07 01:55 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I think he fails to realize that Libertarians still like to pound booze, smoke pot and fornicate.


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Re: Libertarians.......from Mr.Medved [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6522218 - 02/02/07 02:35 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

I can't believe some moran wrote something and then titled it "That's why we call them loser-tarians" and then proceeded to spew forth an article with no substance whatsoever...just a ploy for more votes to support the dominance of a two party system.

These blogs are getting stupider by the minute.


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Re: Libertarians.......from Mr.Medved [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6522952 - 02/02/07 12:23 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Republicans = Economic conservatism + Jesus-based rage


Edited by MushmanTheManic (02/02/07 12:24 PM)


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Re: Libertarians.......from Mr.Medved [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6523900 - 02/02/07 05:41 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
Republicans = Economic conservatism + Jesus-based rage



I don't even think this is true anymore.

For a long time I called myself a Republican. I styled myself in Giuliani's image, believing that defeating the Democrat's socialism was worth a Republican vote, even if I didn't agree with a lot of their stances (Giuliani differs on abortion, which may be big in 2008).

Then something happened between 1994 and 2000. The same Republicans who brought me NAFTA now wanted to put trade restrictions on China. I thought this was the party of free trade, and they're talking about bringing tariffs to the country that had been repeatedly awarded "Most Favored Nation Trading Status"?

Where was the congress that balanced the budget for Clinton? What happened to that?

Now it seems the Republicans are ONLY Jesus based rage, with no economic conservatism left at all.

Needless to say I've been voting Libertarian ever since.


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Re: Libertarians.......from Mr.Medved [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #6524567 - 02/02/07 09:18 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Here's my thing with libertarians: I'm no fan of big government either, but it seems that so many libertarians have this knee-jerk reaction of keeping the government out of everything except protecting their private property. Individual situations need to be evaluated on an individual basis, and in some situations, it improves things when the government steps in. I'm all for smaller government, but not to the extent that many libertarians want. I don't so much mind the moderate libertarians like Milton Friedman(although I think that neo-classical economics is highly flawed), but the rabid ideologues in the Murray Rothbard/Ayn Rand crowd are kind of scary.


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Re: Libertarians.......from Mr.Medved [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6524656 - 02/02/07 09:41 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
Republicans = Economic conservatism + Jesus-based rage




:yesnod:


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Re: Libertarians.......from Mr.Medved [Re: Basilides]
    #6524706 - 02/02/07 09:58 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Riiiiiigt.....

Just like Democrats = Communists + Anti-Jesus-based rage  :rolleyes:


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Re: Libertarians.......from Mr.Medved [Re: Silversoul]
    #6524793 - 02/02/07 10:30 PM (13 years, 6 months ago)

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Silversoul said:
the rabid ideologues in the Murray Rothbard/Ayn Rand crowd are kind of scary.




I don't think there have been any worthwhile ethical egoists since Stirner and Nietzsche. Trying to base your political ideology on natural law (inalienable rights?), or in Rand's case "rationality", seems so.... liberal.

"A handful of might goes farther than a bag full of right!"


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Re: Libertarians.......from Mr.Medved [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #6525152 - 02/03/07 01:05 AM (13 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

MushmanTheManic said:
"A handful of might goes farther than a bag full of right!"



I prefer the way Benjamin Franklin put it:

"Force shites upon reason."


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