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Cakes Vs. Casings... AGAIN!
    #646990 - 05/27/02 01:14 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I was reading an OLD post that said casings yeilded 5-7 times as much as cakes.

Between dunking, double ended casing, straws, and inner reservoir, how much has this changed?

Why do you or don't you case?



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Re: Cakes Vs. Casings... AGAIN! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #646995 - 05/27/02 01:22 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

>that said casings yeilded 5-7 times as much as cakes

I read the thread, and I say: NO WAY


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Re: Cakes Vs. Casings... AGAIN! [Re: Anno]
    #647007 - 05/27/02 01:32 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Heheh, Ryche said it in the 6th post.



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Re: Cakes Vs. Casings... AGAIN! [Re: Baby_Hitler] * 1
    #647385 - 05/27/02 09:08 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I think cakes can produce just as large flushings as casings. Like PF said, its all about the amount of H2O available to the cake.


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Re: Cakes Vs. Casings... AGAIN! [Re: C12H17N204P]
    #647395 - 05/27/02 09:18 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Im a newbie i suppose, and although I have isolated cultures on agar and colonized jars before I never have fruited by choice.

I am skipping the cake method and going straight to casings, Im confident with effort and persistence I will do fine. Everyone says its much harder but in my opinion it just seems like an extra few steps...

plus why take the risks associated and spend the money if your not gonna go for the gusto.

For some though like a student living in a dorm, or some kid living at home with family, cakes are probably the best way to go if you dont have access to cultivate freely.

casings in short yield more and cakes just make the process shorter and easier but yield less usually.

again this is all opinion mixed loosely with technical facts



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Re: Cakes Vs. Casings... AGAIN! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #647508 - 05/27/02 10:43 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I personally think , "Ok, I have 20 pk cakes, lets case half of them, and ruit the other half now, that way I get some sooner than later, and then i get some later than sooner."


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    #647537 - 05/27/02 11:05 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Cakes Vs. Casings... AGAIN! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #647624 - 05/27/02 12:04 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

I think you could get 5-7 times more off a casing than a cake. Depends on how you do it of course. If you got manure going and spawn with 1 birdseed jar, and then get a substrate of 4-6 inches, you're going to get more off that than a pint of brf/verm cake.

Talking about just brf and verm together. I find that if you take 1 cake and case it, you could get probably 2-3 maybe 4 times as much as an uncased cake, at optimum conditions.


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Re: Cakes Vs. Casings... AGAIN! [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #647654 - 05/27/02 12:20 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

i think the total surface area plays the biggest role. think of it like this: a crushed up alka seltzer dissolves quicker than a normal one. this is because more surface area is exposed. when the cake is crumbled, more of it is exposed. if you cut a cake in a spiral so you could unfold it, i think you would get a larger return. i think the aeration definately plays a role as well.


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Re: Cakes Vs. Casings... AGAIN! [Re: dubt]
    #647738 - 05/27/02 01:19 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

SOS tek mentions when a cake is split in half & each on is cased seperate yields are greater. If you were to spawn 2 pf cakes to 5lbs of Horse Dung you would get good yields.


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Re: Cakes Vs. Casings... AGAIN! [Re: Alien]
    #647744 - 05/27/02 01:22 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

One thing about cakes, is that you can get bigger shrooms, meaning big blue veins running throught the shroom, reportedly these blue veins, are psilocybin, when have you seen these in cased shrooms? Particulary in dominant shrooms, one shroom will take over production for one cake, and what not.


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Re: Cakes Vs. Casings... AGAIN! [Re: angryshroom]
    #648432 - 05/27/02 07:19 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

PF cakes average 4 grams dry. So by casing it you could get 8-16 dry grams?




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Re: Cakes Vs. Casings... AGAIN! [Re: Alien]
    #648568 - 05/27/02 08:49 PM (20 years, 2 months ago)

The claim was:
"that said casings yeilded 5-7 times as much as cakes."

An average cake produces around 5 g.
Now the claim is, if you case this you should get 25-35 g dry shrooms of it??

If you use 50 ml of BRF per cake it weighs around 40 g.
Some 50% of those 40g are converted to carbon dioxide and water during the growth(measured for oyster mushrooms, will be similar for cubensis).
Leaves you with 20g BRF for shrooms you harvest and the mycelium that is still in the casing after the casing is spent.

So how are you going to get 25-35 g dry organic mass(mushrooms) from 20g brown rice flour?


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Re: Cakes Vs. Casings... AGAIN! [Re: Alien]
    #648946 - 05/28/02 04:58 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

lol
i love you too, alien.
one big problem is that alot of people expressing opinions about cake yields don't grow cakes, at least not recently since dunking came on the scene.
3 or 4 years ago it was pretty much true that cakes fruited whole only gave around 3.5 dry grams.
but when crumbled and cased it gave 7, maybe even 10.
so the advantage was obvious.
but with dunking, cake yields have increased dramatically,
with it becoming quite common to match cased yields.
in the end, yields have more to do with how much substrate you have totally, your skill as a grower, and the genetics of the strain than it does with the shape or composition of the substrate.
for truly large quantities, it's hard to beat grain spawned to compost/straw.
but the advantage lies more with the easy of making large amounts than with the per gram efficiency of casings.



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Re: Cakes Vs. Casings... AGAIN! [Re: Hippie3]
    #648989 - 05/28/02 06:02 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

i grow casings myself never even tried cakes they were just never appealing to me i mean a casing is more like the mushrooms grows in nature


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Re: Cakes Vs. Casings... AGAIN! [Re: Iowa Rasta]
    #650522 - 05/29/02 04:42 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

bull.
there is nothing remotely 'natural' about a casing.
you want natural, fruit off cow pies.


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Re: Cakes Vs. Casings... AGAIN! [Re: Hippie3]
    #650693 - 05/29/02 08:12 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Could you explain the 'dunking' process to me? I've heard a lot of people mention it but have yet to find instructions for the procedure. Thanks!

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Re: Cakes Vs. Casings... AGAIN! [Re: RebelSteve33]
    #650914 - 05/29/02 11:05 AM (20 years, 2 months ago)

Do a search for the Dunk Tek. Or you can look in the faq.. I believe it has a link directing to it.


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