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 Eightball
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 Wheat Berries as grain substrate 
#645274 - 05/25/02 08:16 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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i went to my local healthfood store to buy some rye berries by the pound, but they no longer carry them. to not make my trip there a total waste i bought 2-3lbs of wheat berries. they resemble rye but they are less plump. i loaded up 4 quart jars with polyfill lids and PC'd for 1 hour. i knocked them up with 2.5 ml of Taz spore solution. 12 days later they show immense growth (~33% surface covered). i decided to shake 2 jars and leave the other 2 to be the control group.
has anyone had any experience with wheat berries as a substrate and how were the results?
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Post deleted by MOE THE MAD SCIENTIST [Re: Eightball]
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Re: Wheat Berries as grain substrate [Re: Eightball]
#645992 - 05/26/02 10:11 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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wheat berries work great, but don't shake them too often. The more times you shake them, the more chance they have of getting contams.
Thats my experience, anyway.
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Re: Wheat Berries as grain substrate [Re: Eightball]
#646624 - 05/26/02 04:47 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm having some great progress with both wheat berries and millet. It should present 0 problems.
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 Re: Wheat Berries as grain substrate [Re: Eightball]
#647314 - 05/27/02 06:26 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Great results ! My malaysians were grown with wheat berries, same work as rye but i like wheat better, i have the feeling it doesn't contaminate so easy and the water content is superior to rye, just don't shake it too much.
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Re: Wheat Berries as grain substrate [Re: Eightball]
#649230 - 05/28/02 07:26 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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heres a little update
the 2 jars that i shook once are about 90% colonized on the outside
the other 2 are still colonizing but the mycel network isn't as well established as the shaken ones.
the wheat berries definitely are much easier to get water content correct with. they also colonize at great speeds and shaking once appears to be very bennificial to colonization speed and distribution. compared to birdseed and my previous rye use, the wheat is much more shakable and does not get that stickiness thats both birdseed and rye tend to display. if the potentcy is good and they pin well, i will most likely move away from birdseed to wheat berries.
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#649248 - 05/28/02 07:33 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Wheat Berries as grain substrate [Re: vatoloco]
#649554 - 05/28/02 10:53 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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Well it depends on the water content you use , wheat berries tend to gain a lot more water content than rye, that's why if you were having bad results with rye concerning contams due to high moisture inside the jars, you'll not have the same risk with wheat because it can hold more water. In my experience and IMHO, the problem is that wheat berries when shaked tend to disrupt if they have a high amount of water ,it leads to a excess of moisture inside the jars. On the other hand, the higher the amount of water inside the grain , more chances you'll have on growing more flushes with bigger fruitbodies.
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Re: Wheat Berries as grain substrate [Re: Eightball]
#662817 - 06/04/02 01:37 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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I have also noticed that the hard spring wheat has less broken kernels then the soft pastry lately.
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Re: Wheat Berries as grain substrate [Re: Eightball]
#663168 - 06/04/02 06:20 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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i cased the 4 quart jars into 6 bread loaf pans about 3 days ago. i used peatmoss with some hydrated lime as a casing layer because i was too lazy to cut a chunk off the coir brick and boil it. i've left them in the dark and temps stay around 77, but the casing layer hasn't started to show signs of growth. i think they got shocked when they were cased and are just reestablishing the mycel networks. probibly by tomorrow they'll be some white exposed, then i guess put them in the light.
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Re: Wheat Berries as grain substrate [Re: Eightball]
#665924 - 06/06/02 10:58 AM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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the casings still haven't colonized the casing layer at all. maybe the ph is too high from the lime, i dunno.
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Re: Wheat Berries as grain substrate [Re: Eightball]
#668087 - 06/07/02 09:07 PM (22 years, 7 months ago) |
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i'm not sure what its doing. i've had temps around 78 and its not colonizing the casing layer or fruiting under the peatmoss. if i don't see growth by tomorrow, i'll probably recase with coir/verm. i really need to get ph strips too.
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