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Re: Ghosts and Big Old Houses [Re: Swami]
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Not in the budget.......bring your own.......

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Re: Ghosts and Big Old Houses [Re: Swami]
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Swami, this is a really good post. It is always necessary to debunk the natural causes......First! Not doing this is what gives investigators from both sides a bad name and it instills fear in people with conjecture instead of fact. That's a necessary ingredient for mind control or cult practises.
I have been in many situations where very "natural" noises were the culprit for scaring the shit out of people. When I investigated, nothing was found but the settling of the house.

I have also noticed, though, that in times when the unseen psychic energy is at an all time high, that noises not of natural causes, do occur. Whether or not these are audible or exist only in the mind is unknown. Sometimes they are perceived by only one person....other times two or more people hear the same thing at the same time. I often hear rapping (not the present music style of course) or voices talking as though on the other side of a wall, when psychic energy is very high or active. It often causes me problems sleeping.

The point I'm making is that, most noises can be explained away "naturally", but I still hear noises or knocking, or rapping that are not natural. Granted that these may indeed be a form, or at least follow the form a an auditory hallucination. The thing that gets my attention though is that I'm basically a rational person who experiences these irrational events, or experiences and then these events line up with some troubling spirit that I perceive. That's the other part of the problem. I don't want to "see" or perceive spirits.....it just happens. I have some control over it but I walk into a room, or place and there everything is, the spiritual superimposed on the physical. Some places I see 3 or 4, some 15-20, some it is just one. And they don't look the same. They are like looking at a crowd of people that has individual differences but the same basic body types......
I suppose maybe I could have some mental disorder, but I am able to function normally and my "gift" does not interfere with "normal" social interactions, apart from "creeping me out occasionally.
Again I agree with what you are saying and think it is absolutely necessary to question where the "noises" (or voices) are coming from. The problem is that what I experience, is irrational, yet it assists me in dealing with various situations and in navagating through my life. I don't think that I'm a nut case, yet I truely see, hear, and feel things that most people around me do not.

Then comes even more. I will often perceive the presence of a spirit, and without discussing this with anyone, a friend will perceive the same thing.
Often times before going to a house for a dedication ceremony, I will often sense certain information about the place and people. This information is later confirmed at the sight.
I once sat at a table with three other people. One (a minister) told of a problem with a member of his congregation and stated that the man "had problems" (which he didn't mention specifically) and stated that when the man entered the church and got emotionally upset, the lights would dim. I looked at him and gave him detailed information about the man and his family. I stated specific information about the man's past and his relationship to his parents. I then concluded that we should not approach the man as a group to deal with this problem and that we should not "cleanse" the church or congregation. (I have never met the man, I do not know his name, and I have never been in this minister's church.)
The minister looked blankly at me and said nothing.

Fast forward about one month. The minister came to me and shook my hand and smiled. He stated that he left our last meeting thinking I was a total quack! And that he made up his mind that he was going to prove me 100% wrong by checking out every detail I mentioned and report it back to the group.
He smiled and stated that every thing that I told him about the man and his family was 100% correct. He then stated, "I thought that you were a fake and I was determined to prove it but you were right about everything...."


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Re: Ghosts and Big Old Houses [Re: Tannis]
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Good show old droog

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Re: Ghosts and Big Old Houses [Re: Tannis]
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Good post Tannis. I am slightly(heh) inflammatory because I WANT someone to get fired up and show me something. (Hence my post a while back about being cursed - of course nothing happened.)

As I mentioned in one of my other posts, I have been places and participated in many things and visited mystics that most people only read about. AM as far from the arm-chair skeptic as one could get. To date, I have yet to witness one psychic / paranormal event; merely large and small groups of people wanting badly to believe and gurus / shamans happy to take their money or at least get their admiration and ego-stroking.

If I lived near you (am in CA) I would go with you on a few of your jaunts.

I actually thought I had a ghost experience once, then I read the symptoms of sleep-paralysis and they fit my description exactly.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Ghosts and Big Old Houses [Re: Swami]
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He lives in MD

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Re: Ghosts and Big Old Houses [Re: ]
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See? He lives on the other coast just as a dodge...


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Ghosts and Big Old Houses [Re: Tannis]
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TANNIS' POST IS WHAT A "BELIEVER'S" POST SHOULD BE LIKE

Actually Tannis, I was quite surprised by how grounded your post was. If everyone who had experiences like yours could also write about them in an unbiased manner, this forum would be quite bearable (only mildly bearable now).

However, I must withhold judgment as to the validity of your experience until I recieve better evidence (like an in-depth conversation with the minister). Your post was logically consistent... there is nothing for me to rip in to.


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Note: In desperate need of a cure...

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Re: Ghosts and Big Old Houses [Re: Sclorch]
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Zackly, which is why I was polite and respectful in my reply.


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The proof is in the pudding.

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Re: Ghosts and Big Old Houses [Re: Swami]
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When i was younger, my friends and i had a "seance" where we sat around a candle and asked a spirit to give us a sign.
To make a long story short, i gently blew the candle out with breath from my nose.
My friends have believed in ghosts ever since. Its all perception...

Sorry this doesnt relate to where the topic was headed, i thought it was relevent nonetheless.


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Edited by Catalysis (04/23/02 09:15 PM)

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Re: Ghosts and Big Old Houses [Re: Swami]
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Explain conciousness.

Is conciousness simply the result of a certain number of operations per second and a badass algorithim?

We can't even explain our own existance... (How am I an entity?) I don't think science or logic is even capable of explaining conciousness.


Is the brain a generator of conciousness or just a reciever?

Conciousness is a paranormal phenomenon.





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Re: Ghosts and Big Old Houses [Re: Swami]
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Wow....the love in this room........
Do I see skeptics and believers walking hand in hand into an ark....no its a space ship......no it beat up station wagon with me and Shroomism in it and a sign on the back:
"California or bust"

....I'd bet on the bust part myself....

But seriously, thanks!

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Re: Ghosts and Big Old Houses [Re: Sclorch]
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Thanks!

As long as we are patting each other on the back, let me say that I always stop and read your post more carefully because I enjoy them and like your arguements.

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Re: Ghosts and Big Old Houses [Re: Jellric]
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about 3 weeks ago i kept hearing footsteps coming up to the computer room where i am now, but has since ceased, but then again i hear voices from when i am about to fall asleep, but it hardly scares me. Hauntings can be very much related as being simply auitory and visual hallucinations caused by increased energy flow in and around your immediate area, but i am only speculating here. My friend tells me that her house is haunted, and that she has seen angels and shit. she says a demon chased her mom and paralysed her and she prayed to the lord and was lifted from her body, and she told me she thought it was a result of her becoming a deep christian, i can hardly understand that reasoning for when she told me about this i was becoming a deep christian myself. After she told me that i became freaked like a stupid little baby, and i realize now that her haunting was probably caused by increased energy flow, her peceptions of the angels and demon were merely that, perceptions of her subconscious, but then again i could be wrong, i say let the demons come if they are there, otherwise i will laugh at there cowardlyness.


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insanity with a plan, a plan to stop exercising truth as compared to breathing thin air, but to experience truth as all there is to experience, for what do i not already have that exsists? All i can do is enjoy the ride.

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Re: Ghosts and Big Old Houses [Re: cHeMiCaLbLuE]
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Increased psychic energy can cause auditory and visual hallucinations, but watch out for the "real deal" (demons). They are real and they do create conditions for things like illnesses, disease, fires, accidents, etc.,.......

I have also known people to suddenly meet with a strange accident and die.
A fire broke out in my parents house 200 miles away from when I discharged an angry spirit and coincidentally set their house on fire after I smelled smoke and burning sulfer! It was pissed and took it out on my folks.....
I was once attacked by a demon and suddenly developed an illness that the doctors couldn't identify. After banishing the demon and its influence I suddenly ......very suddenly got better even though nothing had worked up to that point.......

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