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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: truffleupagus]
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n,n-dmt is the visual one.
5-meo-dmt is not very visual at all, but really intense body buzz.


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: truffleupagus]
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truffleupagus said:
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I thought it was interesting he mentioned 5-Me-DMT, anyone have experience with that? He said there was no visuals.


I've yet to try any form of DMT myself but I can't imagine that's true. He seems to know his shit pretty well but I think that was one of the few inaccuracies in the video. What I don't understand is that he said that's what he did. And he talked about a being that had light pulsing through it's arteries instead of blood. But then he said that 5-MeO is less visual. Huh? Did I misunderstand something?


He is talking about nn-dmt for the most part, and he was only explaining that he and whatever his name is did a different form in the manshow days.
He is certainly talking about nn-dmt the whole damn time.

If you smoke enough 5-meo-dmt it does give you some visuals. 5-meo-dmt is definately a more cogntive and tactile hallucination oriented trip. For some people it can be very scary because it is an atypical psychedelic experience without the same type of visuals(blue-green hues are quite common though, for example). It is very surreal and can be very intense.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: yageman]
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Okay, I guess I understand a little better now. I didn't realize previously that the different forms of DMT had such varied effects. All I remembered reading was that it tends to be more intense yet short lived when smoked.

So basically, the DMT in toad venom would tend to be less visual than the DMT in ayahuasca made with m. hostilis, right?

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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: truffleupagus]
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truffleupagus said:
Okay, I guess I understand a little better now. I didn't realize previously that the different forms of DMT had such varied effects. All I remembered reading was that it tends to be more intense yet short lived when smoked.

So basically, the DMT in toad venom would tend to be less visual than the DMT in ayahuasca made with m. hostilis, right?

P.S.: Could someone please tell me how you quote so that it says "truffleupagus said:"? You don't have to type that in, right?


click the quote button


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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: apfrommsp]
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Thanks. I realized that immediately after posting.

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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: apfrommsp]
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Ayahuasca is not what this guy was talking about either.

Smoked dmt is very different than ayahuasca. For one ayahuasca lasts for around 8 hours or WAY more depending on how much you take.
Smoked nn-dmt last for about 8 minutes tapering off quite rapidly.

There are plants that contain mostly 5-meo-dmt and only a small amount of nn-dmt. There are also plants that have very little 5-meo-dmt and a whole lot of nn-dmt. Typically most of these plants have both but one is VERY dominant.
M hostilis could be made into an extract and smoked, or it could be used orally with the aid of another hallucinogenic plant, an maoi plant. Maois are very hallucinogenic at the right doses by themselves.

If you eat 6 grams of rue and then smoke some pot, I wouldnt expect anything less than an intense hallucinogenic experience.

Traditionally, the maoi is considered the spirit of the brew, and the dmt only adds color shape and intensity to the visions.

SMoked nn-dmt can be so extreemely intense though it last a short period of time, and its a good thing some people dont know a damn thing about it to be honest.

Its the most intense hallucinogen known to man. Its just so damn visual, audio, tactile and cognative that it really does push most hallucinogens to a second post. It the most alien thing you can really do to yourself. Ayahuasca is very different, but very similare in that way(lasts from 6 hour to a full day and night).

Traditional ayahuasca brews actually contain atleast 5 grams of rue.
And that A HELL OF ALOT. Thats where the whole life changing insane trip comes into play. If you drink enough ayahuasca you cant see anything but visuals, and thats only .09 percent of the experience.
SMoked nn-dmt is very similare but very different at the same time. You will likely have more incredible hallucination than you have ever seen if you smoke enough, but that only lasts for 15 minutes tops....





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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

Edited by yageman (09/10/06 08:45 PM)

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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: yageman]
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So Beautiful, So Scary, So Perfect. :psychsplit:

  SWIM is still scared from his one breakthrough.He will/must continue in the future tho.

  Peace and love,Kija.


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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: kija]
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ive had the privilege of doing it once....

i look forward to the day i can try it again


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  Edited by yageman (04/20/06 4:20 PM) 

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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: kija]
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A well prepared ayahuasca brew with lots of maois is so incredible that there really are no words to describe it.

You may find your self in a death, a light, a feeling, a sound or a synesthesia you have never known before.

Smoked dmt is like a side road but you move about 80 times as fast through it.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: yageman]
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yageman said:
Ayahuasca is not what this guy was talking about either.



Yeah, I knew that. I did realize the difference between ayahuasca and smoked DMT. I just didn't understand the difference between 5-MeO and NN. I tried making ayahuasca once but it didn't work too well. Made the mistake of taking both MAOI and DMT plant at the same time and threw up too soon into it. Oh well, BLNT.

That's good to know about rue and weed too. You're serious about that shit?

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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: truffleupagus]
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If you want to get really freakin nutty..... try 6 grams of rue.

Boil the powdered seeds, drink the brew plus the soft leftover seed and then smoke some pot because you will likely feel sick. That just means you have taken a high dose of maois and no dmt(60% of what a real traditional super hallucinogenic ayahuasca trip is made of). If you dont have a rather extreem trip, hit me up. That would surprize the hell out of me.......


Maois are a thing you might want to try at a lower dose first, but yes, they are extreemely intense if taken at the right dose....

DOnt expect a mushroom or lsd type trip though. It can kick your ass...... Its very different. If I could give a comparison to any drug, 10 grams of rue is an absolutely insane dose, and the visuals are very much like lsd. I wouldnt recommend it. But for some people thats what they think of as an maoi for ayahuasca.

Be very careful with maois, as im sure you know.

They are not a deleriant or dissociative or anything, but they are VERY serious.

The best first dose of ayahuasca should be low in my opinion. 3 grams of rue and 5-9 grams of viridis or the equivalent of some other legal plant(they are all legal).........

Once you get over the 4 grams of rue mark you are into some serious shit. Any dose like that with almost any amount of nn-dmt can change your life. Im not just talking about a good trip either.
There is a good reason religions have been based on such beliefs in these plants.

Be so very careful with maois. The experiences will vary so greatly between you and other people. 4 grams can send some people into a serious trip they were not ready for. I dont understand fully why that happens to some people, and that fact makes me weary about giving any advise.


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[quote]Me_Roy said:
You moron. Material is material is material.  No 'thing' fixes any situation.  If anything were so simple we would be living in a much better world.[/quote] <-----the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life.
Thanks shroomery.

Edited by yageman (09/10/06 09:02 PM)

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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: yageman]
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I have smoked DMT probably 70+ times and have been around people smoking it more times than I can remember. It is not what you think and though Joe does a good job of putting the experience into words, a DMT trip is utterly unfathomable. DMT is not a drug. I have no experience with its 5-meo cousin but I don't doubt that it could be much less visual and much more intense. 5-meo way overpowers DMT from what I've heard.

DMT allows you to see through the eyes of your soul (which is very real as is the spirit world in which it resides. Much more real than what you are experiencing right now.) You can call me crazy or mind fucked from DMT but many people find this to be very obvious after a DMT trip. OBEs and seeing beyond death are very common if you understand what DMT is. It is not a drug. It is a technology and a medicine. That is why some say it is 'alien' - it seriously feels like something created it for our minds. Which is exactly night, but not alien at all really but I'll let you firgure that one out yourselves.

I highly reccomend DMT if you are the kind of person that constantly ponders life, our purpose, the universe, etc. It is exactly what you are looking for. If you just want to get high and see some wicked visuals don't even bother with DMT. Luckily it takes some serious motivation to acquire yourself and those who have it won't easily give it up for $.

DMT will change your views on society. I can promise you if you do enough of it you will learn many things you may wish you never learned (ignorance=bliss or something like that). If you follow its advice (aka your soul's advice) you will be doing a great thing which more people need to be doing. If you don't you will eventually start having bad DMT trips which I have had several times. They are simply the most disguting experience to be had. My whole body felt like rotting cancerous death.

As McKenna so rightfully put it, DMT is the most powerful and interesting thing on this planet.


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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: Grok]
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So how much of what he said is actually true? Anyone have any links that also talk about it?

Pretty hard believe I have a DMT trip everytime time I sleep.

**Just hit the half way point... His view on his humanity is DEAD ON to what I started thinking after I tripped... My jaw literally dropped while I was listening to it, because I've never heard anyone put it into words that well.

Edited by DyeGreen (09/10/06 10:52 PM)

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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: DyeGreen]
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DyeGreen you can learn more about DMT on www.erowid.org, as you probably already know.

I'm guessing we recieve minuscule doses during sleep, but still affecting our subconscious thoughts. Well, I'm off to bed, time to trip :smile:


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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: yageman]
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huhhh... I never tried upping the dose of sarinan rue. Always did the equivalent of 3 grams for my ayahuasca experiences. I've done sarian rue by itself but found it to be like a simple but powerful drug. What I mean by that is I don't think complicated, I felt dumbed down a bit with no special thoughts. It has been years so maybe I'll give it another try.

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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: yageman]
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yageman said:
Traditional ayahuasca brews actually contain atleast 5 grams of rue.
And that A HELL OF ALOT. Thats where the whole life changing insane trip comes into play. If you drink enough ayahuasca you cant see anything but visuals, and thats only .09 percent of the experience.



Wikipedia

I believe syrian rue is found only in the middle east area. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe traditional ayahuasca brews contained ANY rue...


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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: special_k]
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just so there are no fools reading this thread going "i'm gonna go eat a thousand rue seeds and trip ballz"

MAOIs require you to mediate your diet, usually days before and after, any significant dose.  There are certain foods and drugs you must avoid on MAOIs or face possible fatal outcomes.

end warning :smile:


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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: kake]
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I did that when I was 17. I read 10 grams was a good dose. Tried it out with a friend. Friend could only down like 4 grams. Being one not to waste I drank his. That night I talked to people that really weren't there, got stuck in thought loops, and spent the whole night vomiting with diarrhea. Not my brightest moment. I did atleast fast though

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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: special_k]
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Personally I have a hard time believing that dreams are DMT trips. I have had numerous dreams of tripping which were similar to DMT but your average dream is nothing like a DMT trip.

The truth is, nobody really understands the purpose of indigenous DMT. Its all speculation.


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Re: DMT Video with Joe Rogan [Re: Grok]
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yeah these videos were posted about a year ago and i remember discovering them and them totally blowing my mind. joe rogan is definitly a very intelligent and articulate guy. there are a ton a videos of him talking to people smoking with people and just being a really mind blowing dude.

http://www.sacredcow.com/allnew/index_content.php?n=multimedia_video_joe

check em out. the egyptians debate with aliens is really good. as is him smoking pot behind a bar. very good conversations.

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