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Re: Do you agree with Joe Rogan's theories? [Re: Muufokfok]
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i wish i could go back in time and live as a sailor or a simple house man doing his job in a village without worries or a polluted environment. think about how happy people must of been to not worry so much about money(#1), crime, pollution, war, technology. the reason people are so depressed in the 21st century is because they never truly get to see nature, theyre cooped up in their offices, buildings, computers, houses, and the most theyll see it a park or a soccer field.


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Re: Do you agree with Joe Rogan's theories? [Re: learysprotoge]
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learysprotoge said:
Umm Im suprise nobody has realised that Joe Rogan was basically quoting Terrence Mckenna.
Like that part about smokin dmt n seeing a flower.
I mean it was wierd I listened to one of Mckennas speechs and then a while later saw that video n was like wtf?
Is he really trying to say those are his original ideas or was he mocking mckenna?
Then I saw the isolation tank n was like, " that bastard is basically sayin verbatum what mckenna said."
I do see humanity as a cancer of sorts.
A dirty bacteria, just like theres ok bacteria (prairie dogs) theres bad bacteria(humans)..
I just cant see why mckenna couldnt see this, mushrooms cant be all great and powerful if they just give us the intellectual ability to kill ourselvs and our planet.
IF mushrooms did help our conciousnous evolve through some almost supernatural predetermined chain of events.
Howcome they got us here and not into some better earth loving situation?
Dudes a genious, I just think he went to far trying to prove it.
He lost sight of what he was trying to see.



no i did. i said being pollitically correct these arn't joes theories

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Re: Do you agree with Joe Rogan's theories? [Re: MrBuzin]
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I've mentioned Rogan before. He's a putz to sum it up.

He does what all conspiracy theorists do- that is ignore logic, ignore evidence that doesn't agree with him. He recycles the same, tired, old, debunked nonsense without even knowing his blather is warmed over quotes from people that are laughingstocks themselves.

I haven't heard what he says about drugs. I simply don't care. I have heard him on so many other, nonsense topics that he has absolutely zero credibility.

I might even agree with him on drugs. But that doesn't change the fact that he makes a living babbling about things he has no idea about. He embarrasses himself with every new proclimation, every 'new' (although as we've seen, he is totally unoriginal, mostly rehashing other people's conspiracy theories without even coming up with anything of his own) conspiracy he embraces.

He wouldn't last a minute in a debate with even a high school debate team kid- his logic is so poor, his research nonexistent, and his grasp of any deeper level of science worse than a grade schoolers.

Listening to him so far, I couldn't find a computer powerful enough to keep track of the logical fallacies. His rants and speeches generally read like a list of logical fallacy. The Scientific Method is so utterly foreign to the man as to be comical.

In the world of skepticism, he is a poster child for idiocy. He's well known among that group for his stupid comments on pretty much everything. Although conspiracy theory seems to be his drug of choice.

Perhaps it's the hollywood symptom of being paid to not live in the real world. It's why those people cling to new age religions, support Tibet despite not even being able to find it on a map (much less the actual history of the place), whatever conspiracy theory comes down the pike, etc. People that are so rich that they can afford to live in a fantasy world where reality need not apply.

Doesn't matter if he is pro-drugs. He has marked himself as someone with zero credibility on any topic. Having him on 'our side' is not going to help except for people to link his asinine theories to the one about drugs.

If he's a nutcase 9/11 conspiracy believer, then why would anyone take him seriously on anything else? He's a millstone around the neck of any cause he decides to support this week. Frankly- if he's so willing to blather on which he has no ability to fathom, what makes anyone think he's any more serious about this topic?

What I see here, with people slavishly supporting him because he's pro-drugs is what's known as Confirmation Bias. It's a logical fallacy.

Because he says what we want to hear (on this topic) people will give him a pass on all the other stupid things he's said.

He could be totally right about drugs- doesn't matter because he's proven himself a boob on so many other topics his credibility is shot no matter how right he may be now.

He's not an ally. He's a celebrity that will pontificate on any topic, no matter how little he actually knows about it- just to get the air time. The fact he is so prolific in speaking on so many topics that are obviously beyond his grasp probably speaks more to a psychological condition of narcissism than being educated on any of them. Anything to be on TV for another 5 minutes.

Sorry guys- Rogan is a shameful example of 'authority' on anything beyond MMA casting. He's a well known laughingstock among the scientific and skeptical community.

Embrace him if you want. But you're not doing the pro-drug cause any favors by hitching a wagon to this nutjob.

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Re: Do you agree with Joe Rogan's theories? [Re: Brewmaster]
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Brewmaster said:
Do I agree that the human race is comparable to bacteria or cancer....

Absolutely



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We're the most consumptive, reckless, and abnormal species on the planet. We're slowing killing the planet we live on, without remorse, just in order to obtain materialistic goals. We're never satisfied, more, more, more. Grow grow grow. I'd say we're definitely comparable.


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Re: Do you agree with Joe Rogan's theories? [Re: TheSollyLama]
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i wish i could go back in time and live as a sailor or a simple house man doing his job in a village without worries or a polluted environment. think about how happy people must of been to not worry so much about money(#1), crime, pollution, war, technology.



---Sorry to bust that bubble too, but the world you describe has never existed. Ever.
Polluted environment? You mean before indoor plumbing, sewers, and knowledge of germ theory? When you could walk across the Thames because of the raw sewage dumped there? Back when the common cold was often lethal, when life spans ended on average, at age 35? When Smallpox and plague ravaged entire societies and one in four people died of disease and only 1 in 3 children saw age ten?

War? exactly when did that world exist? Since the very earliest writings of man are generally about--- war and the lineage of kings. There isn't a society on earth that has not known warfare. Today at least we try to bomb only the enemy combatants. Until the past century, war was waged on those poor villagers and sailors far more than enemy soldiers. When rape and pillage wasn't an aborration, but rather just business as usual. Back when women and children were the spoils of war.

Money? Again, not a real world you speak of. Bartering then coinage have been with society since it's inception. It's the basis for much of the movement toward literacy- the merchant class needing to keep inventory and shipping logs. The very first 'writing' in Britannia was a series of slash marks for business keeping of herd animals.

Crime? Once again, this utopia has never existed. Crime is older than the writing that details it. Never has any society not known crime. It is in fact the basis for all fundamental laws- known as Naturalistic Law, that binds society.

Technology? Human history is a result of technology. From using a spear instead of a thrown stone, to metal working, to making computers to wax poetic about fictional time periods in our history- the march of technology has doubled life expectancy in under 100 years, it's led to modern medicine, flight, more efficient farming to feed more people, and an understanding of the universe not even imaginable in the past.

No, there has never been any time where life was better. Simpler just means harder. More work, no time to bang out posts on the internet. Less food, more disease, less freedoms, constant hardships, a life span half of that today.
Exactly what was supposed to be better about the past? I prefer electricity and a warm, insulated home. I like not having a 33% chance of watching my child die before age ten. I like us understanding concepts like germs and the benefits of not eating rancid meat. I like having environmental protections instead of everyone dumping their sewage directly into the stream others drink from.

I tell ya what. Spend some time in say, Somalia (I've been there and speak from direct experience) and see how much better 'the simple life' is compared to ours. With illiteracy running 90%, disease more common than death by old age, no electricity, no clean water, not even basic medicines, nothing but poverty, misery, and starvation.

See if that 'simpler time' is all it's cracked up to be.

As for the depression of the modern world....oh please. Before people slaved away (many of them, literally slaves) in fields for 18 hours a day, from the time they were 7 or 8 years old. No rights, no property that didn't belong to the nobility of the area, a church that dominated their every waking moment, punishment in the form of public torture, and impending invasion at any time.

Sounds friggin' great to me.......

That is the real history of the world. Sorry if it doesn't jive with fantasies of 'simpler times being happy times', Deal with it.

I find it pretty naive, or at least hypocritical to be reading a post on the internet, generated by a computer and other technologies, about how evil technology and the modern world is. Frankly, it's laughable.

The past is, at best, what Carl Sagan called A Demon Haunted World. I for one do not pine away for the ignorance of the past.

No one is forced to participate in this oh-so-horrible modern world. You can turn off that evil computer, go be Amish.

Or embrace the modern world with every breath yet complain about it nonetheless.

Today people worry about making a car payment. Not long ago people had to worry about starvation. A failed crop meant the very real possibility of slow, painful death for you and your family. Not hungry, not wait till the meat at Piggly Wiggly go on sale--- but real, actual death with your own stomach acid eating you from the inside.

Queen Elizabeth once quipped that she took a bath once a month, whether she needed it or not.....

Oh yeah, just the grand old days there......

Sorry to be harsh- but man, that nonsense about the 'simpler times' is just a total load of crap, top to bottom.


Edited by TheSollyLama (04/06/09 12:12 AM)

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