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Bufo Alvarius Questions
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I just received a couple of Colorado River Toads that I ordered online and I had a couple of questions. I was under the impression that I'd be receiving one male and one female. I don't know how to tell the difference though. Is there a way to?
Also, when I picked up a terrarium, water dish and substrate at the pet store the other day I was told by someone there that I shouldn't feed them for 2 or 3 days after receiving them to allow them to get acclimated to their new surroundings. Is this true? And how often should I feed them after that?

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Re: Bufo Alvarius Questions [Re: truffleupagus]
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I'm not 100% sure. But to sex them, look at the front feet. The males should have a little nub around the fore-finger/thumb area that aids in gripping the female during amplexis.

Search around on google, there are a couple good pages on toad care in general. Also more sexing info.


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Questions [Re: truffleupagus]
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yes its probably true, they might be too much in shock to digest it and either might end up regurgitating it or not eating.

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Re: Bufo Alvarius Questions [Re: truffleupagus]
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As far as sexing, I couldn't tell you unless, one started laying eggs.
I have some small green tree frogs, and I only feed them a few crickets, about every 3-4 days. they tend to gorge themselves,

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Re: Bufo Alvarius Questions [Re: rod]
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toads are beast when it comes to eating
males should have much thicker front legs and females are usually bigger overall

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Re: Bufo Alvarius Questions [Re: truffleupagus]
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Post some pictures of your new pets please!

I have been wanting some frogs and toads for awhile.They have fire belly toads at the local pet sotre for 5 bucks.After I learn to care for a toad or frog I intend on getting a bufo alvarius.I doubt I would ever milk the little guy though.


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Questions [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
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bufotenin really isnt worth squeezin the little dude

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Re: Bufo Alvarius Questions [Re: CptnGarden]
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It would be amazing to own an animal with such power though!

I am sure after a late night of drinking I would wake up with a plate covered in toad sectretion and a very pissed off pet.


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Mad_Larkin said:  Death is just a thang.
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MrJellineck said:  Profits, prophets. That's all you jews think about.
sheekle said: life is drugs... and music... and cat... :snowman:

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Re: Bufo Alvarius Questions [Re: CptnGarden]
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I have kept and bred river toads. The males have shorter, bulkier front legs, and an extra little pad of skin on it's front feet. Check the net. I'm sure you can find pics. They also have slightly wider mouth with a little more flesh under it's chin. This stretches during mating calls.
When I got my first toads I was told that you can tell the dif by looking at the coloring. I have found this to be not true.

Because of Ship-shock, or stress, many animals won't eat for a while after transit. It won't hurt to try. Eating soon after being shipped is a good sign that they are strong animals, resistant to stress. Just don't leave live food in the cage with them for more then a few hours. Crickets bouncing off of them when they don't want them can cause unhealthy stress. The crickets could try to eat the thin skin of your toad. Look out for soars.


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Questions [Re: truffleupagus]
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"FOOD: In the wild, B. alvarius eats any living thing it can get into its mouth - small rodents, small fish, tadpoles, smaller frogs and toads, and insects of every variety including ants, scorpions, wasps, and bees. Nighttime lights attract insects and it's fun to watch the toads feast upon the fallen bugs drunk with blindness. As the B. alvarius sits perfectly still, it rapidly wiggles a tiny finger on its foot in order to entice some insect to mistake this movement for prey. This ploy inevitably brings its victim within striking range of the toad's snapping tongue, and a quick meal is had.

What should you feed your captive toads? Crickets and an occasional pinkie from your local pet store are probably the easiest source of feed. But if you really love your toads, you'll make that extra effort to add a little of nature's variety to their diet. ;-) Toads have voracious appetites and they will let you know they are hungry by how active they eat. But do not overfeed your toads; it is better to offer smaller amounts of food more often than a large amount at one setting. Calcium deficiencies are fairly common, and it may be advisable to gut-load your insects with high calcium foods or dust them in a calcium powder. Food items can be lightly dusted with a vitamin/mineral supplement that contains calcium and phosphorus in a 2:1 calcium: phosphorus ratio and vitamins A and D3. Gut loading is the process in which you feed the insects highly nutritious food before you feed them to your toads. The insects are fed on calcium-rich insect food, fish food, dry dog food, or other foods that will be nutritious for your toads. Before I feed crickets to my toads, I usually feed them carrot, lettuce and oats so that all the nutrients from those foods are inside the cricket when my toads eat them. Over-feeding of vitamins and minerals has been known to cause renal failure and other serious health problems. However, vitamin deficiencies and malnutrition are also serious disorders. The best way to ensure that your toads get proper nutrition, however, is to feed them a varied and correct diet. "
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http://www.bouncingbearbotanicals.com/bufo_alvarius_care_sheet.htm


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Questions [Re: SmokenBabyJesus]
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Occaisionally you might want to get some smaller frogs and feed them to your little beasts as well. I caught a skink and fed it to my Bearded Dragon the other day. Next time I am going to record it for sure. Fucking nature channel in your bedroom!


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Questions [Re: truffleupagus]
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These frogs sound like cool pets to have.
What are their life span? I would hope maybe 15 years?


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Questions [Re: shithead]
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Yeah, I read that they typically live anywhere from 5 to 15 years.  That's almost as good as my Red Eared Slider turtle that's already 20.  But, yeah, I actually got them from Bouncing Bear so I read most of that care sheet that they had already.  It didn't really seem to mention anything about sexing though unless I just missed it.

I was able to get a good picture of each of them so I'll post those below.  So far I think I'm doing everything the way I should be except I think I may need to change the substrate eventually.  I picked up this Repti-Bark stuff and it's like chunks of bark.  So, fortunately, I was able to get them to eat 3 crickets each tonight but they kept getting the bark in their mouths too.  Not too appetizing I'm sure.  But I was happy that they ate on only the second night I've had them.

I did come up with one other question in the mean time.  I know toads are primarily nocturnal and prefer to eat at night.  Do toads actually close their eyes to sleep though?  I've noticed that it seems like their pupils become smaller at times but I haven't actually seen them keeping their eyelids closed for any amount of time.

Thanks to everyone that already posted replies.  I was surprised with how quickly I got a whole buttload of responses on this one. :grin:



Edited by TDOTupagus (08/02/06 10:59 PM)

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Re: Bufo Alvarius Questions [Re: truffleupagus]
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my frogs stick to the sides of the glass, sometimes they close their eyes, sometimes not. mine eat whenever I dump the crickets in .

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Re: Bufo Alvarius Questions [Re: truffleupagus]
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Those are some great toad pictures.Thanks.I am sure they will be happy.

I think the bottom one is a male.It looks to have larger front feet.

Their eyes are amazing.Someone posted some close ups of the eyes in another forum here,I forget which one though.

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Mad_Larkin said:  Death is just a thang.
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MrJellineck said:  Profits, prophets. That's all you jews think about.
sheekle said: life is drugs... and music... and cat... :snowman:

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Re: Bufo Alvarius Questions [Re: aNeway2sayHooray]
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I was thinking that the bottom one was the male too.  But then I wasn't sure because someone else said to look at the fingertips/thumb.  The top one actually has dark colored fingertips so that confused me.  But maybe it's the equivalent of toad nail polish. :grin:  I was just looking at the pictures a little bit more though and I noticed that the bottom one has little nubby things coming out of its thumbs.  So, yeah, you're probably right!

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Re: Bufo Alvarius Questions [Re: truffleupagus]
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Agreed.

Bottom one is definitely the male.


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Re: Bufo Alvarius Questions [Re: Schwip]
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I got in touch with BBB to see what method they use to distinguish sex. They came back and said that if you pick them up around the waist the males will typically make croaking noises and the females will just puff themselves up. So the other night I picked them up for the first time since receiving them - one croaked and the other pissed (almost all over my hand).

So I'm pretty sure that this concurs with what everybody was saying based on the pictures alone - that the bottom one is the male. The only frustrating thing is that it's hard to look at the pics at this point and know which one is which. I've realized that they both have darkened fingertips. The main thing I use to just tell them apart is the size of the paratoid glands. The one has larger glands so, if you're looking head-on at it, they make it's head look wider. The problem with the apparent male pic is that it's not head-on. But the other picture is and doesn't appear to be the one with larger glands.

Oh well! At least now I'm almost 100% sure which one's Dimitri and which one's Oksana.

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